Whole Foods at Callowhill Relocating (in 2017)

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  1. DocAwesome

    DocAwesome The Doctor is In

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    You might remember that the Whole Foods on 20th and Callowhill has been looking for a new location for a while; it was slated to move to the new supercomplex three blocks east before that development (hotel, REI, best buy, other retail) died off maybe four years ago or so. So, once I read this

    Whole Foods says it will relocate Callowhill Street store

    I was curious as to where you think this 3 acre 55k sqft complex is going to be?
     
  2. Titus

    Titus Well-Known Member

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    The Mormons have (I read somewhere) purchased the large lot across 17thStreet/Franklintown Blvd where their temple will be built. I read somewhere that that parcel is to be developed.
     
  3. BenDee

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    The key here is "3 acres". Assuming that is accurate, I'm throwing my hat into the ring and saying 60 N 23rd Street. 3 acres is ~130,000 square feet and this lot is 132,903 according to OPA. There is no other lot even approaching 3 acres (largest I know of is about 2.1) near the current Callowhill Whole Foods.

    There are a lot (traffic) of issues (traffic) with this lot (traffic), namely the location. It's not the most ideal, however it is much closer to the trolley (2-3 blocks), so they are more likely to get a larger UCity/West Philly crowd. It's also much easier to get to & from the Schuylkill (Manayunk/Bala shoppers).

    Google Maps
     
  4. RittenhouseGirl

    RittenhouseGirl Well-Known Member

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    This really sucks. I love Whole Foods being there. I occasionally take a walk there when I want a jaunt and some overpriced wheat meat. But it always worried me that there is some kind of youth prison around there.

    Badlands of Center City perhaps? Or would that be Arch St.?
     
  5. supersupper

    supersupper Appetizer

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    You are jiving people here on purpose, right ? First you didn't know about the President's house thing, and now this. ????

    The Bad Lands of CC ????
     
  6. Jayfar

    Jayfar I'm very old®

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    The Youth Study Center was vacated and demolished several years ago. Don't suppose you've heard of the Barnes Museum, which took its place?
     
  7. nyctransplant

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    I'm going with the premise that this is not a real comment. But per Jayfar's comment, the Youth Study Center is no longer there, and even if it was, I think you would have bigger things to worry about than buying organic food near a juvenile rehabilitation center.
     
  8. nyctransplant

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    Going back to why I originally came on here, I'm very curious as to where this will be. However, it's probably a good thing. That store is a bit small and lacks some of the good things that other Whole Foods stores have. I know a lot of city stores are small, but the South Street location is comparatively much nicer. It would be nice to see that store upgrade in some way because the current layout is a bit awkward and maze-like. I just hope that any upgrades include upgrading the parking lot.
     
  9. RittenhouseGirl

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    The President's House was a real question as I am not the best with history. I'm aware of the Barnes, but didn't know it replaced the prison. I was never sure of its exact location.

    I could never survive a night in the really bad parts of Philly. Arch St. is badland enough for me.
     
  10. eldondre

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    if I had to guess this store was built as a fresh fields rather than a.whole foods. The parking area is a mess. There are a lot.of pedestrians that are forced to cut through an already crowded parking lot making it even more congested
     
  11. billy ross

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    Of course it was built as a Fresh Fields. Are you from Mars?
     
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  13. Titus

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    Huh? 60 N 23rd is at 23rd & Chestnut - there is not "lot" there. It is totally built up but your link is for South 23rd....
     
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    I'm not sure why I'd have to be from mars, there ARE other places in the world to live. south st was built as a whole foods which explains why they're different.
     
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    :disappointed:
     
  16. Jayfar

    Jayfar I'm very old®

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    Double huh. Someone has their poles reversed. North anything is north of Market, i.e. away from Chestnut in the opposite direction.
     
  17. MarketStEl

    MarketStEl Will Work for Food, But Prefers Cash

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    Wow. You really aren't an urbanite. Chinatown and the Convention Center are far from badlands, and those are the "worst" stretches of Arch I can think of in Center City. You wouldn't last five seconds under the El, or maybe even on Castor Avenue. ;)

    No, 23d & Chestnut would be 60 South 23d. The map that I saw when I clicked on the link had Market Street near the bottom, so it's all north of Market. Even numbers are on the east side of north-south streets, which would put 60 N 23d most likely in that big parking lot at the NE corner of 23d and Market.

    South Street was built as a Fresh Fields, but built after WFM had acquired the chain. ISTR reading a story around the time of its opening that CEO John Mackey (or maybe it was a different WFM higher-up) had traveled to a supermarket in Europe that had been laid out in a similar fashion, liked it, and wanted to try the design here. I will say that it works exceptionally well, both in making efficient use of a compact space and in guiding shoppers through the usual path supermarkets want them to follow.
     
  18. Jayfar

    Jayfar I'm very old®

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    Sorry, but even numbers are on the west side. Teh google places it under the JFK overpass, but I would think maybe the big parking lot a smidgen north of there.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&...=us&ei=cM6bUKKjJOi60AHpw4HoBg&ved=0CCsQ8gEwAA

    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=60+N...+19103&t=h&z=21&panoid=qNsoHcBRFbUcFoxb2R2SmQ
     
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    Originally 1601 had a best buy - wouldnt that be better for say the Gallery in all honesty


    Also - any thoughts on what would become of the whole foods space
     
  21. DocAwesome

    DocAwesome The Doctor is In

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    Kidphilly, as far as the connection to the Mormon temple is involved - I would not be surprised if you were very close to the truth and that these developments are related. As you referenced, they had originally proposed their structure for one lot, and due to some bureaucratic red tape getting in their way Nutter helped facilitate a new location closer to broad.

    Refer to this article if anyone needs a refresher
    Mormon Temple a go, Nutter to announce - Philadelphia Business Journal

    The dates are pitifully inaccurate but the context works. So, now there is the initial lot is in play, and without doublechecking the maps I imagine it can facilitate 3 acres. My thought.
     
  22. kidphilly

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    If this were true and a big if this general area could see a major transformation over the coming years. I personally would hope that the 1601 lot would include a tower of some sort (probably residential) and with One Franklin likely to become residential, the lot between 15th and 16th with some form of plan, Blatstein Casino and SG/Broad, The Temple, and a smaller plan on 16th ( I know I read somewhere) this could be dramatically different in the area. Also maybe the WFs there would include a rooftop area like their new store in Plymouth Meeting affording so nice vistas for a lunch
     
  23. Titus

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    Yes, I screwed up when I edited my post on the 60 N 23rd address. Obviously it's North of Market, but the link showed South of Market.

    I would really hate it if they moved there since we're in Spring Garden and that location is in no way convenient for us, but who knows...
     
  24. the mule

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    Unless the clientele changes, the store will still be excruciatingly difficult to navigate. Sure the current parking lot is poorly laid out, but the problem is exacerbated by idiots who wait for parking spots to open up by the entrance of the parking lot. They'll sit there blocking everyone behind them, wait for a person to load their groceries into the car, get in the car, start the car, and back out of the spot instead of pulling up ahead to one of the free spots 30 feet away, or *gasp* park in the half empty parking garage. Then of course traffic snakes out onto the street completely gumming up the works for people just trying to drive down Pennsylvania Ave.

    People take that kind of obliviousness inside the store, leaving their carts in the middle of aisles and otherwise blocking circulation areas. One would expect Whole Foods customers to be somewhat more educated and higher functioning than your typical supermarket customer but they sure don't act that way.
     
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    I generally agree that people handle that parking lot poorly. But it does have an awkward layout and not nearly enough spots, which exacerbates things. It's made even worse by people who don't find a spot the first time around and try to just cut back into the parking lot without exiting. People also don't realize you can just park in the garage (I didn't for about a year, my fiance still doesn't believe me when I say he can).

    It's also hard to walk through if you're coming in from 20th street. It's the kind of situation that is chaotic no matter what you do. The problems inside are a combination of stupid people blocking the aisles, and the generally maze-like, cumbersome layout. Like I said, I know it's an urban store and it's nice to even have a parking lot. But if they're starting from scratch, I hope they improve upon these issues.
     
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    The parking garage there isn't always available to Whole Foods shoppers. I've never noticed if they have specific hours or not, maybe only open on weekends?
     
  27. Jayfar

    Jayfar I'm very old®

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    We'll know where within 90 days. The store space itself will be on one level.

    Suspense surrounds $100M Center City supermarket project

    Excerpts:

     
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  28. OldMama

    OldMama Finally retired. Newly married. Kids are gone.

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    People take that kind of obliviousness inside the store, leaving their carts in the middle of aisles and otherwise blocking circulation areas. One would expect Whole Foods customers to be somewhat more educated and higher functioning than your typical supermarket customer but they sure don't act that way.[/QUOTE]

    Thank you. I thought I was the only one who felt that way. I have the same experience at the Trader Joe's in Ardmore (but not the one on Arch). Agree about the parking lot as well. If I really need something at WF, I just wait until I'm visiting my family in the burbs and go to the Plymouth Meeting store. BTW, that's where most of the Bala and Manayunk folks go now. Roughly the same distance and easier to park.
     
  29. Tartan69

    Tartan69 Pawn in game of life

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    I believe it is part selfishness and part obliviousness coupled with the ridiculously poor layout which confuses people. I've learned to deal with it by just pushing past people and moving their carts out of the way. I always say excuse me as I'm doing it though. They quickly realize that they were the ones being rude, not me. The worst is the slim path between the deli counter and the cheese counter where people pile up to wait forever to be served by the understaffed deli workers.

    Any thoughts on why they didn't announce the location right off the bat? To gauge public reaction perhaps? Drum up interest?
     
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    While we're on the subject of the Callowhill WF, I hope they use the new store as an opportunity to give their staff lessons in speed and courtesy. Am I the only one who finds them to be slow and somewhat condescending? Not all of them, but a good portion. And the girl with the dreads really needs a hair net of some sort.
     

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