Train derailment in Port Richmond - Now

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  1. Litter Box

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    Ch 3 - What little I could see on the video it looks like passenger cars. I could be wrong. :eekfacepalm:
     
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    Philly.com is calling it a "crash".
     
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    Amtrak derailment near Lewis bridge cut-off and Frankford Creek

    http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/29048426/amtrak-train


    http://6abc.com/news/rescue-crews-responding-to-frankford-train-derailment/718111/Rescue crews have been called to an Amtrak train derailment in the Frankford section of Philadelphia. Fire Commissioner Derrick Sawyer is calling this a mass casualty incident.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amfleet Amfleet Equipment; Looks like an AEM-7 was the head end.
    News broadcasters say 10 cars, which shoulds long for a single locomotive. Most consists are 5-7 passenger cars.
     
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    One car particularly appears to be severely twisted and mangled, but no fatalities have been mentioned in any of the news coverage as of now.
     
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    Ugh, Nutter just mentioned that at least 5 are now deceased.
     
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    Mayor Nutter states at least 5 deceased.
     
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    "The area of the crash is known as Frankford Junction. In 1943, it was the site of one of the nation's deadliest train accidents when The Congressional Limited crashed, killing 79 people."

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    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/13/us/philadelphia-amtrak-train-derailment/
     
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    Haven't heard this mentioned yet, but looking at some of the shots from helicopters overhead, it would appear that if the cars would have left the NEC tracks a bit before where they did they could have gone right into the tanker cars parked on the adjacent freight lines, which are likely full of crude or some sort of gasoline derivative. Perhaps if there's a bright spot in this thing that is it...
     
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    6 people dead, 20 are still in critical condition and a few are still missing.

    Former congressman patrick murphy was on the cafe car when it derailed. He making the press rounds, I'm sure this will trigger his PTSD.

    SEPTA is reporting that a regional rail train heading towards Trenton was hit with a unknown object five minutes before this accident happen.
     
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    A more authoratative source tells me the curve is rated at 55MPH.
    In 1943, it was referred to as the Wool Curve Wreck; for research purposes.
    The tankers would likely be empty of crude, since this is a storage yard, not a hump yard. Crude=$$$.
     
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    It's too early to blame anyone but in the future we may be able to use the no driver technology to override an unsafe speed. I like the self driving cars but fear the blue screen of death but having the computer lower the speed may not be a bad thing.
     
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    Although that supposedly was about 4 miles from the site of the Amtrak derailment.
     
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    Positive Train Control is already used on this line.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Civil_Speed_Enforcement_System
     
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    it is a rational suspicion when there is a derailment on a curve. provided it ends up being true the question will ultimately be why. 188 is a northbound train coming through north philadelphia interlocking (and shore). as you may have noticed riding the train it is typically not going 110 mph (southbound is a different story).
     
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    Dana DiFilippo @DanaDiFilippo · 41m 41 minutes ago
    Unconfirmed reports of 4 or 5 more bodies at #Amtrak site.
     
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    Only takes speeding off the table if the curve is protected by signals, which I am not sure is the case here.

    Those tanks cars sre not for carrying crude. Some are for the Dupont (former Sunoco) plant at Margaret and Aramingo, which manufacturers ingredients for making plastics. Others are bound for a lubricant plant in Eddystone. Still, if the train hit the parked cars it undoubtedly would have resulted in additional casualties, starting with the engineer.
     
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    It could have failed, as happened in the DC metro crash 6 years ago. That was a different system, and there are failsafes, but nothing's perfect. Usually these incidents are a combination of several unlikely events.

    The system enforces both track speed and signals.
     
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    Not surprised by accounts of more bodies.

    There was one car, sort of 8m the center of the semi circle the other derailed cars had formed, that was nothing more than a ball of twisted metal. I figured they wouldnt be able to search it until the day time.
     
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    Is it fully deployed though. One undated document (from the FCC, related to use of radio frequencies) I see has it deployed in sections of the corridor with full deployment scheduled for this year.

    http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/v...YphGppc7v!-321460796!1471562840?id=7021711372

     
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    Right, that was the first car. Astounding that anyone would have survived in that one.
     
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    prior to the implementation of PTC there was already overspeed limitors where the system would have dropped the signal and forced the locomotive into braking. the governing speed would not have been 110 mph either for a northbound train.
     
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