The Divine Lorraine

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  1. eldondre

    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    no two bedrooms? is this still happening, perhaps as rentals?
    http://www.nsi-consulting.com/projects-archive.php?projectID=3
     
  2. five apples

    five apples Deacon Blues

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    I heard from someone who lives in this vicinity that the civic association is run by what she described as basically a mad man, and he pretty much killed the project all by himself.
     
  3. Hospitalitygirl

    Hospitalitygirl Resident Ornery Bitch

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    Pretty much what he said.
     
  4. eldondre

    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    this one?
    http://westpoplarnac.org/contact us.html
     
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  5. Hospitalitygirl

    Hospitalitygirl Resident Ornery Bitch

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    El, the project is DOA. From what I understand, the "lovely, young couple" whose project it was, couldn't modify it further and make any money on it.
     
  6. eldondre

    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    I was hoping the Nutter ZBA would be more forgiving
     
  7. raider.adam

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    Has to get past a councilman before it gets to ZBA.
     
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    Hospitalitygirl Resident Ornery Bitch

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    Not. at. all.


    It has to get past the crazies before it even gets to that.
     
  9. five apples

    five apples Deacon Blues

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    Technically that is not true. It has to go before the local zoning committee and if they do not like it they will send a letter to the ZBA recommending against it. Developers like to get this approval as it increases their chance of getting approved by the ZBA. However it does not stop the developers from going to the the ZBA.
     
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    Hospitalitygirl Resident Ornery Bitch

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    You most certainly are correct. That is where it got hung up--that was the step where they wanted some ridiculous modifications, in addition to the NAC asking for an absurd amount of money...

    Welcome to another episode of "As the stomach churns..."
     
  11. five apples

    five apples Deacon Blues

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    Now the NAC has a big empty building that might never get developed sitting there. Now if it had been developed you would have had all these new people move in and new businesses spring up and the safety of the neighborhood made better. What a bunch of stupid pieces of . . .
     
  12. raider.adam

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    The issue tends to be is that the developer needs the councilman to do things (like zoning, permits, etc.). The councilman says the developer needs community support first. CDC or Civic Associations, knowing they have the developer over a barrel, do some squeezing before they give out support. If they don't, the councilman holds up the wheels of progress to the point where even if they get a variance, it doesn't help.
     
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    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    who is the councilman? and is this "councilmanic privilege" rather than actual law?
     
  14. Hospitalitygirl

    Hospitalitygirl Resident Ornery Bitch

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    In this case YOUR councilman, the most esteemed Darryl Clarke :duh:, and yes, councilmanic privilege, not law.


    Allow me to remind you of that really big broom we need...
     
  15. raider.adam

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    Correct.
     
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    How did they manage that? It doesn't even work that way in Old City.
     
  17. eldondre

    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    So, I hear the problem wasn't that there was no resolution, but that the process dragged on so long that the credit market tanked before the project got off the ground but that it is still a go IF financing can be secured.
     
  18. hammersklavier

    hammersklavier A Fortnight Dead

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    What a farce. Just goes to show, if you're rich enough, you can be a loon and still ruin it for other people.
     
  19. eldondre

    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    huh?
     
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    The list of West Poplar NAC board members does not sound very diverse (it sounds heavily African-American). South of Fairmount Ave., on Green St., Mt. Vernon St. etc., the neighborhood is more diverse. Where is the representation from that part of the neighborhood?
     
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    hammersklavier A Fortnight Dead

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    The West Poplar NAC! I've always thought that thing was a joke.

    [edit]...and the fact that they've nearly killed the Divine Lorraine.[/edit]
     
  22. eldondre

    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I saw this on Brownstoner today. It's such a gorgeous building. I really hope something gets done.
     
  24. raider.adam

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    How long before water destroys the bones?
     
  25. eldondre

    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    I'd much rather have seen the city spend $2 million on stabilizing this and the beury than buying a craptastic wireless network
     
  26. desolate

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    er a couple decades ago.
     
  27. eldondre

    eldondre Well-Known Member

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    it's only been abandoned for a decade, if that. father divine's group maintained it long after it ceased operations. it was in fairly good condition until they gutted it
     
  28. John Goodman

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    I'd buy a condo there in a second.
     
  29. Brooke

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    Yep, I can second that. I took a tour of it with Winston when the demo company was gutting it, sending its innards over to the salvage place on Fairmount. The pic here is of the ballroom on the top floor. It was eerie...it was almost entirely preserved. According to our tour guide, the area addicts/criminals had so much respect for Mother and Father Divine, they didn't disturb the place.

    Water had no infiltrated the building when I saw it.
     
  30. citygirl

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    I thought Michael Treacy owned the falling-down " elevator" building at 17th and Fairmount, now surrounded by police barriers. I think the Divine Lorraine and this collapsing building are symbols of the credit market tanking.

    The Lorraine was always a difficult project architecutrally, having been built as SRO. The rooms are small and the many walls are load-bearing, which defines its after-life. No loft-like spaces possible withiout extensive structural expense. The presence of the homeless shelter on Ridge avenue also depresses interest in rehab, but it's like the chicken or the egg. Is the Divine Lorraine not moving forward in part because of the shelter? Or is the shelter there because of the empty divine Lorraine?
     

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