Sexual Assault ok or not?

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  1. MackeyDingo

    MackeyDingo REALLY Well-Known Member

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    Why is Harvey Weinstein being disgraced as a result of these assault accusations while some reality show star was voted president after similar accusations?


    My personal theory is that Republicans don’t really care about sexual assault, and for them this is just another political calculation.

    Weinstein is held accountable by the general public (including Dems), since that’s what normal people do, and Republicans are happy to jump on the Hollywood bashing, regardless of the cause.

    Trump was held accountable by the general public (including Dems) but not by Republicans, since he was claiming to be one at the time, and sexual assault isn’t an issue for them.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Republicans had nothing to do with this since his own studio kicked him out. Instead I see Dem after Dem (the Hollywood variety) piling on.
     
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    I don't agree with your assessment that its only Dems piling on (I could point out plenty of Republican piling on and morality broadcasting), but either way it proves my point that its only Dems who give a rip about sexual assault. (another example: Look at what Nancy Duvoe has done to the process for filing a sexual assault complain on college campuses)

    One the other hand, Dems are much more likely to demand a public sacrifice on many many topics that republicans simply refuse to demand accountability on. Some of this is unhealthy and unproductive (example: attacking people on the same side of an issue for minor transgressions (micro-aggressions) when this actually just impedes your goals)...
     
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    So, Fox News offered OReilly a multimillion dollar contract after it knew he settled ANOTHER sexual harassment claim with $20 million in hush money.

    Same station that required women to wear skirts that show leg, and removed the front part of desks so that women’s legs would be visible on TV, under the table. Culture went to the top. Roger Ailes (dead now thankfully) was essentially the same kind of predator that Weinstein was.

    These are disgusting people. And the voters and viewers don’t care.

    Bill O’Reilly Settled New Harassment Claim, Then Fox Renewed His Contract
     
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    Funny, Roger Ailes is long gone but the skirts are still thigh high, the heels are still 4 inch spikes, the necklines are still low, and the hair is still cascading. What has changed under new management?
     
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    O'Reilly will be doing the Factor for Sinclair, who will soon have the largest TV news in the US.

    Sinclair has an overt right wing bias, they require their content to lean to the right.

    ASIDE: Sinclair also is overtly pro trump, and they create pro-trump news clips starring marble-mouthed Trump-goombah Boris Epshteyn, called must-plays, that they require their local stations to broadcast. This guy gives a fucking master-class in new York ganster-idiot. Let's take a look!

    Here's one:




     
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    Now I’m really confused.

    Hannity says a romantic relationship with a 14 year old is ok if consensual. Despite the woman’s clear claim that it was not consensual.

    Then we get to ‘Bama. These are the good REAL Americans that the Democrats forgot about, right?

    "Yeah!" Covington County GOP Chairman William Blocker tells me he'd consider voting Moore even if hard proof of sexual abuse emerged.

    "It was 40 years ago," Alabama Marion County GOP chair David Hall tells me. "I really don't see the relevance of it. He was 32. She was supposedly 14. She's not saying that anything happened other than they kissed.
    Me: "The story said she said he tried to get her to touch his genitals." Hall: "Well, she said he may have TRIED to. But we're talking something that somebody SAID happened, 40 years ago. It wouldn't affect whether or not I'd vote for him."

    "There is NO option to support to support Doug Jones, the Democratic nominee. When you do that, you are supporting the entire Democrat party."

    REPUBLICAN PRIORITIES
     
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    Alabama Covington County GOP Chairman William Blocker tells me Democrats convinced these women to tell a fake story to damage Moore.

    I told him the 14-year-old became a Trump voter.

    "That's the typical background or profile of somebody they would be using for that," he said.
     
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    This woman.
    Essentially, “I defended hundreds of CEO from this, all the women are liars, real victims are very few and far between.”
     
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    I Call BS!
    There is no excuse, but that Republicans do not care, is plain BS.
    Even a comedian like Larry David was embarrassed by one general trend in recent Sex Harass.

     
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    Here's the video, dickhead. Try not to prank call me at work today, K bud?

     
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    “Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,”- Alabama state auditor Jim Ziegler.

    Can we just let Alabama secede?
     
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    It wasn't uncommon for Southerners, probably particularly Alabama, to have much younger wives. Given that, I am so amazed at the obtuseness of some people...men.
     
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    Why I can't watch Fox: My new husband brought an upgraded TV to our union and I'd probably break the screen.
     
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    This is a tough issue for republicans. They've spent the past few weeks convincing themselves that sexual assault is only a liberal (Hollywood) thing.
     
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    Yes. Abusing power to force people to do something against their will isn't a feature of the political spectrum.

    Its just the inconsistency. We had PizzaGate, where there was no evidence, and no accusers, and that was enough for FOX news to cover it. But here we have 30 people corroborating the story, mostly from being told by the victims of the assault during the period 40 years ago around when they allege.

    There are records such as the 14 year old vicitm's mom being in court that day, as the victim has alleged.

    this seems to be beyond self confirmation bias. 'Bama Republicans have stated they would rather have a pedophile in office than have a democrat in office, nearly verbatim.
     
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    This is one of the problems of a two party system racked with hyper-partisanship. We're at the point where the worst republican is better than any democrat. It started to manifest itself with Trump. "He may be incompetent and terrible, but at least he's not Hillary".
     
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    Democrats are WORST offenders than the Republicans???
    Hillary thoughts using mind reading tech: "WE ALL LOVE Harvey's Moola"
    Straight out of Hillary Clinton's Mouth Harvey Weinstein has been a Supporter.
    I guess Democrats love money so much they do not give a shit about morality and allow rapists to make large donations.
    When asked if she would return the donations from a know rapist she said she would keep the money.

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    THERE ARE VICTIMS IN THESE ASSAULTS. Can we remember that and stop with the partisan BS? Here is the commonality- MEN committing assaults. Not Democrats, not Republicans, MEN.
     
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    Yes. Exactly. And only republicans are defending the criminals and attacking the victims.

    It’s an objective fact.
     
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    Already posted it, but I will spoon feed you. Here you go.

    (Side note: 30 people are on record saying that she told them about it, mostly around the time of the assault, including multiple ex-boyfriends who all agree that they believed her then and still do now. plus there are now FIVE women)

    You are right to say that its not happening based on party affiliation. Its a power thing, coupled with a personality disorder or some kind of moral failing / broken person. But my point is that only one party is excusing the offenders and attacking the victims. And it appears to be party-wide, and taking place in republican media (note that I'm trying to distinguish between conservatives and Republicans) like Breitbart, who is sending "reporters" (really political operatives) to 'Bama to dig dirt on the victims of pedophilia, to protect the pedophile's chance to become a US Senator.

    We cant ignore the attacks on the victims, or the defense of the perpetrators. And we shouldn't ignore that they are all coming from one group of people.
     
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    BUT, Even Super heroes exploit woman.
    So, you have a weak case.

     
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    Bix, I find your post offensive and trivializing. This is real life, these are real victims.

    I keep hearing people ask why the victims waited so long to report the abuse. Sadly, we grew up expecting that men will try to exert their will over you. We grew up believing that it was partly our fault just for being developing women. We grew up believing that it was up to us to either avoid these situations or get ourselves out of them. We grew up believing that if we reported such assaults, we'd be asked what we did to provoke it. So , why bother?

    These allegations have prompted me to tell my husband things I never told anyone. About the man in a car who asked me for directions when I was riding my bike. When I stopped to tell him, I saw that he was completely exposed. I was 11. I rode away horrified but never told anyone.

    Or the time I was riding the trolley to this summer program for gifted students. Because I had an orthodontic appointment, I missed riding with other kids going to the same place. I was alone on the trolley near the end of the line, my destination. A man got on and of all the empty seats, sat next to me. He started asking questions, then started pulling in my skirt. I told him I was 12. Then I squeezed out of the seat while he touched me. I went to the front of the bus and told the driver whatthe maN was doing. HE SAID NOTHING. I have never felt so unsafe before or since. I got off a stop early, terrified that I'd be followed. I wasn't but never told anyone.

    Almost every woman has stories like this. I know my friends do. I'm not traumatized by them. I moved past them long ago. But I have told my daughter NOT to keep such incidents to herself. Tell me, tell her stepdad, tell someone, anyone until someone listens. Even if nothing can be done, tell someone. Don't feel powerless; don't think of this as normal. Get it off your chest.

    So, I am resentful of the disbelief I'm hearing toward these women. The fact is, we don't tell. But we need to start.
     
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    All of your post was well said. The above is almost verbatim what my wife said this weekend. I had a teacher in eighth grade that would pull the same girl aside every week and ask her all sorts of questions about her boyfriend. He eventually was fired, but she had to be 14 at the time and we all thought it was weird and predatory. I don't know that any one of us reported it either.

    One of my sisters had a creepy patron at the restaurant she worked at that also would ask inappropriate questions, what time she got off etc.. Even the woman manager told her to quit whining and take the table when he'd come in. My wife was followed home once by a creep from a restaurant. It doesn't even need to be physical to be threatening. Its sad that this stuff is brushed off by so many.
     
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    BUT the SAD FACT is even the cartoons on TV take sexual advantage of woman.
    You missed my point entirely.
    How about American DAD?
    Tell me they have censored just one sexual innuendos or outright bloody gory violence scenes in this modern TV cartoons?
    I have seen insinuated BJ scenes on TBS cartoons.
    SO, Why do they show this unless woman are treated like this.
    I do not hear anyone complaining their children are flooded with sex and violence on cartoons.
    Super hero wonder women revenge soft core porn is popular.
    Just google wonder woman porn and see for yourself.
    Our children are demanding this shit not me.
    I did not grow up in the comic book / cartoon generation.
     

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