No time for Collusion - We Are The CHAMPIONS of the World - Philadelphia Eagles

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  1. Politburo

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    The wink to Kavanaugh probably sounded more clever in your head. Since you believed those accusations were false, what are you actually saying here?

    It's not just rhetoric. It is a lie that you're participating in.

    Similarly, you are fully aware that the lie is raising his actions to 'collaboration', as if he was some active plotter instead to a teenager trying to survive a war.
     
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    That's not an argument.

    Obviously there are places where people support Trump - some of them overwhelmingly. There are also non-Philly places where people do not support him - some of them overwhelmingly. Neither place holds a claim to be the 'real' America.

    The best tool we have to gauge the overall sentiment of the country is opinion polling. Trump's poll numbers - all of them - have been negative for nearly the whole presidency. I will not have the wool pulled over my eyes that I - or Philly - is some kind of outlier in their opposition to Trump.
     
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    IMO, what makes Trump different is two things:

    1. All of those alleged violent rhetorical statements were one-offs and
    2. Not directed at anyone

    If Bernie had a habit of slandering and demonizing Scalise, like Trump does, and one of his supporters shot Scalise, then he would be culpable in some sense.

    Trump on the other hand <i>constantly</i> demagogues his "enemies" by name. The bombers targets are a one to one match from Trumps hit list, for example. Not a coincidence.

    Again, on the right, the Jews (not just Soros) are funding an invasion of America through this (s)caravan. The synagogue the shooter targeted is affiliated with a group that was just demonized. Trump attacks on Soros and the Caravan fit right in, and gives legitimacy to any kook who already was prone to violence, the term I would use is incitement.
     
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    Interesting. I found a clip. I think it's worth noting, as Politburo notes, that he was 14 years old. Collaborator sounds like a low blow for a 14 year old trying to survive

    My thoughts exactly. Its apples and oranges to compare Trump's behavior to anyone else for the simple fact that he constantly targets people and he beats a dead horse. I mean, how many times do we have to hear about Elizabeth Warren's ethnicity or how the media is the enemy of the people? He can't even issue a strong condemnation after horrible violence. Commenting about baseball after Saturday's shooting was incredibly poor taste.
     
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    This is a disturbing read.

    Inside the Online Cesspool of Anti-Semitism That Housed Robert Bowers

    I think it is worth noting that this conspiracy crap that seems to spawn on social media gets picked up by the mainstream republicans and spreads like a wildfire without any regard to whether its even true or not. Several instances of conservatives, serving up the idea that Soros might be funding the Caravan, probably in the hopes that it gained traction. Not too disimilar from the Pizza Gate conspiracy or the conspiracy that David Hogg is a child crisis actor. Also worth noting that Trump's allegations strike a strong similarity in tone and language to Bower's gab comments. Maybe it's a reach to say Trump's partially responsible, but he sure does try to fan the flames.

    "In the right-wing fever swamps, where the president’s every word is worshipped, commenters began amplifying Trump’s exhortations with new details. Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida wondered whether George Soros—the wealthy Jewish philanthropist whom Trump and several members of the U.S. Senate blamed for the protests against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and who was recently targeted with a bomb—was behind the migrant caravan. NRATV, the propaganda organ of the National Rifle Association, linked two Republican obsessions, voter fraud and immigration. Chuck Holton told NRATV’s viewers that Soros was sending the caravan to the United States so the migrants could vote: “It’s telling that a bevy of left-wing groups are partnering with a Hungarian-born billionaire and the Venezuelan government to try to influence the 2018 midterms by sending Honduran migrants north in the thousands.” On CNN, the conservative commentator Matt Schlapp pointedly asked the anchor Alisyn Camerota, “Who’s paying for the caravan? Alisyn, who’s paying for the caravan?,” before later answering his own question: “Because of the liberal judges and other people that intercede, including George Soros, we have too much chaos at our southern border.” On Laura Ingraham’s Fox News show, one guest said, “These individuals are not immigrants—these are people that are invading our country,” as another guest asserted they were seeking “the destruction of American society and culture.”

    Trump's Caravan Hysteria Sparked a Massacre - The Atlantic
     
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    Tartan69 Pawn in game of life

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    I guess we'll find out in 8 days
     
  7. Phillyxpat

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    Christopher Columbus blvd in Philly long overdue to be renamed back to Delaware Ave.

    CC a proven historical genocidal criminal.

    This also to wonder How American Thanksgiving is not a day of prayer and petition to help end and now remember how uncivil we once were to each other as a nation - sound familiar - in the bloody Civil War as in Abraham Lincoln, how it became a celebration of candy-ass Mayflower Wall Street types mooching a turkey dinner off the Local First Nation People types. Should have refused them service at the door - no soul no compassion and no respect (only greed) for the land.

    Have a nice day. We are having pork on thursday btw, Cooking a turkey sucks. :)
     
  8. Tartan69

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    I have lived in Philly for 12 years and have yet to meet anyone who calls it CC Blvd. Same with MLK drive and City Ave.
     
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    GOP Cookiecutter Men - When Did GOP Super-hero Joe The Plumber Morph Into Joe the AG ?

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    What do you call them?

    North of BFB it is Delaware Ave, south, it is Columbus.

    We call City Ave, City Line but I don't remember why.

    All of these were learned when we got here, mostly from MapBlast 20 years ago!
     
  13. Tartan69

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    I learned from locals. Del Ave, West River Drive, City Line
     
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    I admired Bush 41 for putting together the coalition to push Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. I also thought his not going into Iraq was something that stood by the rule of law and diplomatic finesse that was unequaled in recent world history. The pack of jackels that on spec no doubt would have wanted an immediate invasion of Iraq in 1991. It was his son who led that consortium to empty out the warehouses of military hardware ready for continued war and profits on January 20, 2001.

    The jackels within the GOP have taken over. The 23% who challenged Bush 41 through Pat Buchanan in the Republic Primaries did not wrestle control of the party from Bush 41. The 23% aka later as the Tea Party and now "Freedom" Caucus and or "Trump's Dump" in terms of party loyalty to the main jackel who these days I think lives in Moscow.

    MSNBC mentions Buchanan but nobody mentions Ross Perot and his greedy hissy fit or was it a family feud with the Bushes that led to the split in the presidential vote in 1992 with Perot getting 18% and the closet Republican as I perceived him, Bill Clinton, winning with 43% of the vote and the right number of Electoral College Dregs' votes.

    The split in the GOP should have spun off into a permanent third party and not stay lodged like a cancer on the main body of the GOP like today.

    I agree that George H.W. Bush was of the old school, education, military and public service, the likes of such we do not see anymore.

    Not quite sure is the real sales pitch behind all this dead emperor worship in the media for what used to be a standard cookiecutter cloth coated Republican politician. The thing reminds me of one of those Roman Catholic commercials about "coming home". Whatever.

    RIP Bush 41, you belong now to history.
     
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    Bush 41 was as old-line establishment R as they come. He would have invaded Iraq had he a better argument to present to the public for doing so. W was indeed the vehicle for which those neo-cons got their wish, but you can bet it was with daddy's ecstatic approval.

    His type is one of several reasons for why populists and libertarian types like Perot and the Pauls and Trump exist in politics. Unfortunately for all of us, our winner-take-all non-coalition system is not conducive to a real third party.
     
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    This government missed all sorts of opportunities when the so called cold war ended. Could not stand down an armed force of half a century and get national health etc. Could not wait to start the next war.
     
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    New Year's Resolution for 2019


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    A day without a tweet from a Mad Man is a true blessing of Providence.




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    Skin Head Government - Trump White (Caucasian?) House - Jan 3, 2019


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    You didn't actually listen to the press conference, did you?
     
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    Amazing how Trump who despises Unions needs union reps from the ranks of the National Border Control Council to talk to us about how their cushy little jobs depending on anything that generates activity (more chaos) and or construction on the border.

    Build a wall in Naco and the cartels build superior tunnels etc. to get the product home to Fifth Avenue and Trump Tower, for some of its primary customers etc.

    As for the Tucson rep, I have to wonder if he was one of those people who use to look into your car on the off ramps at Rio Rico or Tumacacori, where all traffic north got waived off and detained for sometimes half an hour or more in the heat, after spending a grimy Saturday morning across the border from the Nogales AZ side of the border and venture into shack town Nogales Mexico to buy prescription drugs or see a doctor for my son when we had no health care working minimum wage jobs w/o benefits in Tucson when we got stuck there financially in the 90s. Racial profiling as they look into your car on route 19 north right above Nogales AZ, looking for illegals. My wife is Hispanic and does not look it, but if they grabbed us on looks, we would have probably spent 24-48 detained somewhere where I at least could claim American citizenship but my wife whose PR accent and native born American citizenship would be moot and would have probably detained her and our child for days in legal limbo.

    Do something about legal immigration. Don't bring out your cut and or uncut ICE Union Reps out for Mattel doll display.

    Union Jobs (on the border) Matter?

     
  21. Tartan69

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    This is an over-simplification of his complicated relationship with labor unions. A still-simple-but-more-accurate take is that he is not playing nicely with most (but not all) public sector and education unions, while almost all of the construction, auto, steel, machinist, etc unions love him.

    The US and Israelis have been working together for years perfecting tunnel-discovery tech like electrical resistivity tomography, ground penetrating radar, and multichannel analysis of surface waves. It clearly works:

    With Gaza attack tunnels on Israel's radar, Hamas eyes new ways to wage war

    I'm not sure how any of this speculation ("I wonder if he was one"), individual financial situation, or hypothesizing about things that didn't actually happen ("would have probably detained her") is relevant.

    Um, he is trying to, but is being blocked. That's the entire point of all this.
     
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    ICE or M-13 on the Border?

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    I'm honestly not sure I understand what point you're trying to make. I'm assuming that's a Nazi salute by the guys on the left, which makes this a photo of skinheads. Is that implying a Trump = Hitler comparison?
     
  24. Elliott87

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    Citation needed! It is not true just because you say it is.

    Are you a construction, auto,steel, machinist union member? I am.

    A little research I did. LA Times.

    Labor unions aren't buying it when Trump says, 'I could be one of you'

    A blurb if you don't want to follow the link.

    An August survey by Pew Research Center showed that just 40% of union households approved of Trump's job performance, identical to his support in non-union households; 58% disapproved. Gallup and other nonpartisan polls have found similar results

    Patiently waiting for your sources.
     
  25. Tartan69

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    No I am not a union member, but I am friends or have professional relationships with quite a few (maybe 2 dozen give or take) especially in the construction trades, teachers, and civil service. One machinist and two steelworkers in there as well. Most of these are in Central PA rather than Philly. My observation from Facebook posts and personal conversations is that the construction guys absolutely love him and the teachers (including my wife) and civil service people hate him. The rest are generally supportive. I also have a friend from Toledo that knows a ton of auto-workers and he says it is rabidly pro-Trump there with them.

    I freely admit that's all anecdotal, and there could be more dynamics going on than just a union-specific viewpoint given their Central PA location (e.g. gun rights). However unless you've got actual nationwide polling on this, suggest your observations are probably just as anecdotal and location-biased as well. Also here's a few articles:

    The Border Patrol union chose Trump’s wall over their own agents getting paid on time
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-unions-endorse-trump-no-but-its-complicated/
    Trump’s Nafta Rewrite Holds Promise for Labor Unions
    Opinion | The Unions That Like Trump
     
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    This follows a visual line. Is shaving your head the new M.A.G.A. cap for the 2020 election year? In which case I do not think most white guys have the shape or visual appeal for shaved heads like some other races. - Joe the plumber, Whitaker the DOJ temp in charge and all these border guards who only happen to be in a union.What a sight. And to paraphrase our dear fried Freud - "sometimes a fascist salute is only a fascist salute." Only in his paid for wet dreams is The Donald anywhere in the same league as Adolf.

    But on a tangent and I do not know if another organization is unionized. I was working in a house in Tucson in the mortgage business in what might have be otherwise a bedroom except of a couple desks in the rear of a one story building, when the sliding door opened and something like a half dozen men entered the house, one or two in uniform, and my immediate reaction was something like "Is this a surprise Fire Drill or what"? It was only a bit of a while later did I realize that something like a dozen DEA agents had swarmed the house and had cuffed one of the Mortgage sales reps in the living room area, office in the front of the house. His girlfriend had jumped bail or failed to show in court on a weed possession charge etc. As all these fine public servants exited the house through the sliding door in my room did I notice the back yard paved over as a parking lot for the mortgage business was filled with Corvettes and Farraris etc. - autos seized in drug raids and auctioned off to well meaning bidders in the organization etc. - my point on this is how the DEA has its perks like the phony war on drugs and the border guard union obviously has it perks too with the Phony Wall (five billion dollar slush fund thingy - the pizza fund?). That it is a law of physics of the universe, once a USA bureaucracy is set in motion, it tends to stay in motion forever, not unlike space junk surrounding this planet.
     
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  27. Elliott87

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    I am a member of a 4000 strong local building trades union. I interact daily with my coworkers, and other building trades members, and as you can imagine politics comes up quite often. You know 2 dozen people, and some auto workers in Ohio, third hand. I guess we are even.

    Main difference here is I did not come here and state Trump is hated by most of the local building trade members, because that would be a LIE. You stated that most construction, autoworkers etc LOVE him. I posted an article that linked to a Reuters poll from showing that Trump had a 47% favorable rating in March of 2018 showing a large drop from the election. It also mentions a Pew poll ( I could not find this one ) that says 40% approval. Is this evidence of unions loving Trump.

    Trump loses support among union voters

    Have you spoken to your Ohio Autoworker friends lately? Trumps attention has turned away from them, I wonder how they feel now?

    Ohio's GM workers voted for Trump and now want him to 'step up'

    To the others out there, I have found that support for Trump in the building trades is pretty consistent with the general population of this area. I wish I could report that we all despise him, but facts are facts, he has his supporters.

    Since quite a few union members in this area are suburban dwellers, I think it would be wise to look at how the democrats fared there in the midterms. More notable is the Pennsylvania special election in the 18th where Lamb beat Saccone in a district that went for Trump by 20 points. That district had a large steelworker base. In case you forgot Lamb won.

    Pennsylvania vote to test labor's strength and loyalty
     
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  28. Tartan69

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    Perhaps you missed this:

    I made a generalization, to call it a "LIE" is quite a bit overboard. Again, unless you have national polling, all references are anecdotal...its just different by degrees.

    If it makes you feel better, I am willing to concede that his support is probably on the downswing with the unions overall from where it had been.
     
  29. Elliott87

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    You do realize foreign powers influenced our election in 2016 by posting false and misleading information in social media posts. If I was to state here that Texan ranch hands are twice as likely as most men to beat their wives or girlfriends, I give that statement credence.

    I have absolutely no idea about anything related to Texan ranch hands. I have never met any, and I have no collaborating evidence to back that statement up, but I still can post it. Am I just generalizing, or making stuff up? It is now every American's job now to ask for citation whenever anyone states something as a fact.

    By the way, I posted a national poll on union member's support of Trump twice. I am not asking anyone to believe my statements. I missed your polls showing that union members love trump. ( let's say love is an approval rating above 65%)

    I want to repeat, I have no information on Texan ranch hands, but I assume they are fine people.
     
  30. Elliott87

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    By the way I did not say your statement was a LIE. I said if "I" stated that Trump was hated by most union member's that would be a LIE, because I know that that is an untrue statement, and the only reason I would say that is if I wanted to influence other people.
     

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