IKEA and American flag protocol

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  1. dcss1205

    dcss1205 Banned

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    Have you ever noticed the three flagpoles outside of an IKEA?

    Facing their building, from left to right, it's the American flag, the Swedish flag and the Pennsylvania State flag.
    I thought protocol has the host nation in the middle, and higher than any others, ie. lower the others ~12"

    Anyone know have a Boy Scout manual handy?
     
  2. loveisnoise

    loveisnoise Well-Known Member

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    I agree... but you forgot the part where Vince Fumo sold that land to them for kickbacks and neighborhood bribes.

    Oh Sweden. The hilarious thing I brought up many times was that, for decades, the consulate to Norway, Sweden, and Finland was in a junky garage behind "For Pet's Sake" on 2nd and Christian. I'd walk by it 3 or 4 times a day. The very week that IKEA moved into town, the consulate of Sweden moved to center city and they airbrushed Sweden's name out of the sign on the building behind For Pete's Sake. Not Joking. Reason? Who knows. But I don't believe in coincidences.
     
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    It's correct. The position of honor is stage right or to your left when viewing flags. It doesn't necessarily have to be higher.
     
  5. Tartan69

    Tartan69 Pawn in game of life

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    That's hilarious, albeit not surprising in this town. I was going to ask if this is the reason why we have an American Swedish Historical Museum on Pattison Ave (and why it is strangely announced when the BSL is pulling into AT&T station), but then I realized it was started in 1926. I doubt Fumo's reach goes that far...
     
  6. toxigal

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    It is against international protocol to display one nations flag higher than another during a time of peace.
     
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    Thanks to you an ToxiGirl for legitimate answers to the question. I also sent it off to 2 Flag websites and have not heard back.
     
  8. loveisnoise

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    Wow, someone has a flagpole up their butt.

    First off, it doesn't matter. Why?
    "it is important to remember that the Flag Code is intended as a guide to be followed on a purely voluntary basis to insure proper respect for the flag."

    Despite ignorant right wing rhetoric like this about IKEA, there is no federal law being broken:
    http://www.michaelbrowntoday.com/20...do-violate-federal-law-with-u-s-flag-display/

    Yes, toxi did such an amazing google job, and you can do it too lil' buddy!
    CRS-12
    http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf
    Display of United States Flag with Flags of Other Nations or
    of States
    The Flag Code sets out rules for position and manner of display of the flag in
    4 U.S.C. § 7. The question as to the propriety of flying the flag of another nation at
    an equal level with that of the flag of the U.S. is not clear from the face of the statute.
    Section 7 contains two subsections on point and these provisions appear to be
    contradictory. Subsection 7(c) states:
    (c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same
    level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except
    during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the
    church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services
    for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the
    United Nations or any other national or international flag equal,
    above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to or in place
    of the flag of the United States or any Territory or possession thereof:
    Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the
    continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag
    of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor,
    and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor,
    with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the
    United Nations.40
    Subsection 7(g) states:
    (g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown
    from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of
    approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of
    the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.41

    The wording of § 7(g) is identical to that of the original Flag Code enacted in
    1942.42 The second sentence of § 7(c) prohibiting flying international flags equal in
    height to the flag of the United States was not in the original Flag Code. This
    provision was added in 1953.43 The legislative history of this amendment clearly
    states that is purpose was to “make it an offense against the United States to display
    the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal to,
    above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of
    the United States at any place within the United States or any possession or territory
    thereof,....”44 The only exception recognized is at the headquarters of the United
    Nations.
    When a statute contains apparently contradictory provisions, the rules of
    statutory construction first mandate an attempt to interpret the provisions so both can
    be given effect. If this proves futile, the usual rule is to give effect to the latest in
    time. The reasoning is that this represents the most recent statement of the will of the
    legislature. Following this second rule of construction would lead to the conclusion
    that flying a flag of another nation at the same height as the flag of the United States
    may not be proper etiquette under the Federal Flag Code, but this creates no right of
    action in private individuals.45
    When the United States flag is displayed with the flags of states of the union or
    municipalities and not with the flags of other nations, the federal flag, which
    represents all states, should be flown above and at the center of the other flags.46
    Where there is only one flag pole, the federal flag should be displayed above
    state or municipal flags.47
     
  9. loveisnoise

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    Tartans,
    Here's the plaque on the consulate I was talking about...hehehehehe
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  10. toxigal

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    isn't there anythign you just know? or do you have to google for every bit of information so you assume everyone else does too?

    reading books + paying attention when other people talk + liking trivia games = lots of relatively useless information taking up brain space.

    edited to add: pretty sure random flag protocol information was acquired during my girl scout years.
     
  11. loveisnoise

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    Gotcha. The flag code is useless information. Please go up to a veteran and tell them that as they fought for your freedoms to be so indignant. Might as well spit in a veteran's face while doing that.
     
  12. toxigal

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    you are so cute when you get riled up!
     
  13. loveisnoise

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    Wow, dcss1205, will you help to fight all that is unholy in those who violate the federal flag code? Should we tell this lady performing that she is not welcomed anywhere near your establishment? Please advise!
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  14. Colin P. Varga

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    Since she has wrapped herself in a military flag (gold fringe) I suppose she would need a military rank.

     
  15. Asuit

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    The American Swedish museum, is there because, in 1638 the Swedes sailed up the Delaware, to colonize what was called New Sweden, first Christiana Del. Up to, Chester that was incorporated in 1642 up to a place, on their maps called Sauna, now FDR park. Log Cabins, with water surrounding them. They also had a Church, old Swedes Church, they had houses on, Christian St, known as, Swedish Homes, therefore, the names in the area, Queen St, Christian St, are named for, the Queen of Sweden in honor...Way before, Penn landed. They had Deeds, from the Indians, to prove, it was their Land...way before the British ! All before Philadelphia, was Philadelphia. To answer your ? 4 yr's late.
     
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    Note someone added, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, they weren't there yet, in 1638-1655
     
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