Donald Trump Elected President

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  1. MackeyDingo

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    So, in light of the wife beating secretary Trump refused to get rid of, an interesting idea has been floating around.

    What % of Trump's appointments and staff people are credibly accused of breaking the law? (Some have admitted, some have been served subpoenas, some are accused with multiple accusers and credible secondhand sources confirming them)

    What % of immigrants are criminals?

    What % of DACA eligible people are criminals?
     
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    Trump to unveil $1.5 trillion infrastructure plan | Philly.com

    The administration's plan is centered on using $200 billion in federal money to leverage local and state tax dollars to fix America's infrastructure, such as roads, highways, ports and airports.
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    Officials said the $200 billion in federal support would come from cuts to existing programs.

    Smoke and mirrors for the win!
     
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    Such a huge improvement from this bill. That they refused to even consider.

    Democratic infrastructure bill would have paid for improvements by instituting a 14% tax on the 3 trillion in profits held overseas. The new GOP tax bill instituted a 14% rate on this same money.

    Same idea, only better, but its proposed by "that guy," so we hate it.

    "Senate Republicans defeated a Democratic amendment to the proposed 2016 budget on Tuesday. It was aimed at kick-starting negotiations between the White House and Congress over a new multi-year program for funding highway, bridge and other infrastructure projects.
    "The amendment, offered by Democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), called for $478 billion in new spending over six years but without increasing the deficit. The amendment went down 52 to 45 along party lines.
    "Sanders, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, had argued his plan was “deficit neutral.” Hundreds of billions in new spending would have been offset by closing a number of corporate tax breaks that allow some major companies to escape paying taxes or stash profits overseas. But Republicans objected and said a large tax increase on business was not the right economic plan. They want to create a new “deficit neutral reserve fund” to supplement federal infrastructure spending."


    $478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP
     
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    Recall that when Odysseus returned to Ithaca from the war, he found his house filled with traitors. What did the he do to these men, woman, and priests?

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    Well I’m just saying. It’s a 2000 year old classic.
     
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    Like others, I'm sickened by the president's support of abusers and apparent disregard for the victims. Even if you have doubt of Porter's guilt, I see a serious problem. We had a White House secretary who could not get a security clearance handling highly classified information. (Maybe even reading it to the Dyxlexic in Chief who doesn't like to read.) How nice.

    Question: Could the President himself have gotten a security clearance? Should a requirement of holding the office be that the candidate must be able to get a security clearance?
     
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    As a person who has been through the security clearance background check process, I find it very unlikely that Trump would get a clearance.
    Any situation or circumstance that creates a position of leverage over you is disqualifying.
    • His lying alone would disqualify him. (Note that this anticipates a level of shame on being caught in a lie. There is no evidence that Trump can feel shame. So its not clear that his lying should be a disqualifier for THAT reason. But in that case, a person like that can't be trusted to be honest with the intelligence services either, and that is the ultimate disqualifier.)
    • But his significant foreign business, especially Russian, would also be a disqualifier.
    • Lying about meeting with foreign agents, also obviously disqualifying.
    And that's just from what we know. They have to look at your finances, that means tax returns, and any foreign holdings are essentially considered derogatory.
    • That time you cheated on your wife, disqualifying.
    • That time you hit your wife. Disqualifying.
    • Relationships with criminals, DQ'ed.
    • When you lied to the FBI about any of that. Disqualifying.
    • Really, the biggest and boldest lie is one Donald tells everyday. That comb-over is the most insulting lie so far. It seems to me that Donnie's pride is such that, given a sufficiently embarrassing photo, he would go to untold lengths to suppress it. This is only a half joke. Russians look for excessive pride in their targets for this very reason. They are easier to manipulate.
     
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    Also, it turns out people hate working for an unstable idiot.

    "More than one in three Trump administration staffers have left the White House in its first year, a pace that far eclipses the rate of departures in the previous five White Houses, according to a study done by Kathryn Dunn Tenpas of the Brookings Institute.
    The pace of resignations, firings and other assorted departures from the Trump White House is twice what it was in George W. Bush's first year as president and triple that of Barack Obama's first year in office.
    And, it's not just any sorts of departures; a large number of Trump's senior-most staff have left in the first year alone. Writes Dunn Tenpas:"


    "Six of the 12 Tier One positions saw turnover (Reince Priebus, chief of staff; Katie Walsh, deputy chief of staff; Sean Spicer, press secretary; George Sifakis, assistant to the president and director of the Office of Public Liaison; Michael Flynn, national security adviser, and KT McFarland, deputy national security adviser). By comparison, Obama lost one adviser from Tier One (Greg Craig, White House counsel), and George W. Bush did not see any turnover in these high-level positions."

    People are leaving the Trump White House in record numbers - CNNPolitics
     
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    My husband has been saying the same for a while. He also has a security clearance from his years of aircraft design and modification work. Over the years, he had some personal experiences that required additional questioning to maintain his clearance. He says these were NOTHINGS compared to things Trump could be questioned about. You named most of those, but with the addition of the comb over.
     
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    By the way, have we lost Bix again? Too many big words? His Bold button break?
     
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    We might even be beyond what Bix can defend.

    Honestly, if I was a conservative and I was virulently anti Hillary, and I became a trump supporter as a result, I’d be absolutely dismayed and deflated.

    This is a person who is indefensible without hypocrisy or lies.
    He’s not a conservative, he has no fixed beliefs that don’t affect him personally, but at least his lack of principle allows typical conservative orthodoxy to reign. Except be constantly stomps on the momentum and makes everything about his total moral sewagery.

    And all that ignores national security conservatives who have no positive elements to look to. He’s the national security disaster thatone might expect from a Manchurian candidate.
     
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    I have some friends who voted for Trump. Mostly folks with military backgrounds themselves or with kids in the military. They were still happy with their choice until Flynn pleaded guilty. The spectre of a general in the United States Army dealing as he did with Russia was just too much for them to bear. They just shake their heads. I know that my Admiral FIL and my late husband, both USNA graduates, would be appalled. I truly believe neither of them would have voted for Trump.
     
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    Judge rules against Trump in case over immigration program | Associated Press

    U.S. District Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis in Brooklyn said in a written order that the Republican president "indisputably" has the power to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program but relied on flawed legal positions in doing so.

    Garaufis said the Trump administration relied on an "erroneous" belief the program was unconstitutional. His ruling mirrors one issued in San Francisco in January.

    "DACA is not unconstitutional simply because it was implemented by unilateral, executive action without express congressional authorization," Garaufis said. He said Congress has acknowledged the executive branch's power to decline to remove some vulnerable immigrants otherwise subject to deportation from the country.

    The judge ordered the government to let people already in the DACA program continue enjoying protections but declined to guarantee the program to new applicants.


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    Anybody who is interested in politics should listen to this Radiolab podcast.

    The Curious Case of the Russian Flash Mob at the West Palm Beach Cheesecake Factory

    They interview the Americans from Florida who put together the Hillary in a cage show. These are the dumbest people on the planet. Still, I can’t be angry with them, they honestly didn’t know they were being played. A couple of them still don’t understand it.

    In the words of these people, from their own first person accounts, Russians contact these people, (paid them with checks from out of the country) to construct the cage, and put together uniforms and read a script.
     
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    ”when i hear what Putin is saying about nuclear weapons and i see that the president is tweeting about Alec Baldwin.... i mean where is your sense of priorities?”

     
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    this stuff should surprise nobody. but since gun owners were suprised trump didn’t have their back, the capacity for willful blindness is much larger than i though.

    State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0.

    “WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

    As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.

    Mr. Tillerson has voiced skepticism that the United States is even capable of doing anything to counter the Russian threat.”


    Seems to me that Trump already knows how to stop them. he said as much. when they punch you, you punch back twice as hard. we have been punched. trump hasn’t punched back AT ALL.
     
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    A "nonprofit" polling company staffed largely by former Trump aides and campaign staff accidentally left available on the web results from polls they recently conducted. The polls find that Trump is unpopular, as is the tax bill, nobody cares about the wall (even Trump's base), etc. Half support the parade; voters don't agree with Trump about wife-beater Rob Porter, and voters don't believe the Nunes memo.

    See for yourself:

    Below are some of the key details spread throughout the group's research and polling:

    Yet after CNBC spoke to Walsh and Montgomery on Wednesday, several of the research documents from January appeared to have been removed from the site by Thursday morning, including the results of polling on marijuana, analysis of how women view Trump, and January's polling results.​

    Also, apparently, the polling is flawed as a result of leading questions.

    For example, America First Policies' pollsters frequently use leading questions, which make it clear that one answer is much better than other possible answers. The group also employs leading questions to test public opinion, skewing their own results and painting an incorrect picture of how voters feel about certain policy issues, like immigration and infrastructure.

    "If you want to test a position, you test a position. If you want to test a message, you test a message. There's a time for both. But you don't deliberately f--- up the results of your position survey by dumping a message in front of it," said a veteran political pollster who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "If you're trying to gauge a person's stance on asylum seekers, you don't taint your question with some bull---- about how violent MS-13 can be before you ask it. I mean, what good does that do? All it shows you is that scary things can scare people.

    One recent example of leading language was in a February poll's description of Trump's proposed military parade. Here, voters were asked whether they supported or opposed "a military parade that honors our nation's veterans and the troops and families who sacrificed their lives for our country, as well as the strength of our military."​

    Decide for yourself if you think that questions presupposes a correct answer. It seems to me the question equates the parade to honoring the troops, but it could also be seen as explaining the purpose of the parade.
     

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    the polls reveal that paul ryan and mitch mcconnel’s base isn’t motivated my tax cuts.

    they are motivated by xenophobia, anti immigration, and stuff that’s unpopular with the independents who decide elections.
     
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    I've seen this repeated over and over in conservative media.

    There is no proof that Russian trolling changed any votes.
    This is true. How could we have evidence that someone changed their vote based on any one single piece of information? What form would such evidence take? Its not something that can be proven in the normal sense of that word.

    But "trolling" was a tiny part of what Russia did. Recall that Russia hacked Hillary's campaign chief's emails, gaining access to her emails and the internal communication of her top staff. Then these were selectively leaked by WikiLeaks HOURS AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPES WERE MADE PUBLIC. How likely is it that the access Hollywood tape would have stayed in the news, changing minds against voting for Trump?

    And we KNOW for a FACT that the leaking of the stolen emails had effects. The head of the DNC lost her job because of them. The entire DNC was made to appear (probably correctly) as a kingmaking DC machine. How likely is it that NO minds were changed? How many Bernie voters saw that as the last straw?

    The idea that no votes were changed is far less likely than that some votes were changed. How many? Where? We don't know. But we do know that 80,000 votes across three states swung the election to Trump.

    Another fallacy is that the trolling was too insignificant (only a few million dollars) to have made a difference. That ignores the fact that the trolling wasn't blanketed across the US evenly. It was targeted to specific voters in specific states with such precision that experts believe it impossible for Russia to have done without American help (Cambridge Analytica?). So the total dollar amount of the trolling can not be compared to the size of the campaign spending.

    Conservatives will never believe that Russian propaganda had an effect. But I ask you, why then does the American CIA also use such techniques? If they don't work, why do the smartest people in counterintelligence use these techniques in other countries, and why do former spooks go on TV and go to congress and declare their grave concerns about our lack of response? If there's another answer besides, "Because they work," I'd love to hear it.

    And whether you think they worked or not, does Trump have an obligation to protect America from the attacks of foreign enemies? He swore an oath to do so.
     
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    You don't have to buy anything, but its hardly "wishful" thinking that half the country will believe the election is illegitimate America reaches Democratic endgame. Unless a person is wishing for national implosion.

    But it does fit with democratic tendency to fear the worst.

    I'll gladly eat crow. If Russia interfere to Trump and the Republican's gain, and nothing is seen to be done to stop them, people will be killed.
     
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    The piece relies on the assumption that a GOP win is by definition illegitimate. I don't see that at all.. polling for a generic ballot is something like 52-40, but the generic ballot always has issues (gerrymandering, incumbency, etc). Plus we are still so far out.

    The underlying sense of inevitability is 'wishful thinking' on their part. It is counter-intuitive, but remember that the sense of inevitability was perhaps the most important factor in how the 2016 election played out. We've seen that one of the easiest ways to depress a voter is to convince them their vote isn't necessary.

    As for violence, if you spend time reading RW chatter there is a common sentiment that the left is just waiting to attack, Antifa is a terrorist organization, etc. So I don't mean that they are actually wishing for 'national implosion', or for anyone to get hurt.. but any kind of violence after the election would, in their view, justify all these things they've been saying.
     
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    trump is doing a bang-up job.

    are we great again yet?!?!
     
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    yeah, violence will justify what they’ve been saying on Breitbart etc. and justify a government crackdown. that’s not related to whether it will happen though. i think it will.

    i also think the case is strong for illegitimacy if we know ahead of time interference will happen, and favor the sitting party, and that party does nothing to stop it.
     
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    I don't know how the right could argue against a Democratic uprising against an illegitimate government, given that this is EXACTLY their reasoning for being able to stockpile AR-15s, high capacity magazines, and bump stocks.
     
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    I wonder this as well. Its like projection. They are the threat they are preparing for. So perhaps they've been right all along.
     

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