Crazy front lawn vegetable gardens

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  1. Ducky58888

    Ducky58888 Well-Known Member

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    I'd prefer to see what you just described over the plastic flowers! That is just silly. Plant a real garden! lol I just think people need to use common sense and a little bit better choices when choosing what materials they use on the front of the property. I have seen some pretty awful front yard gardens.
     
  2. caL

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    FTR I never agreed with you - I prefer lawn to gardens. But you were right; to each his own.

    Now you just sound selfish. If your neighbor approached you with an issue of your out-of-place garden, your response would be to move? There are unwritten rules when living up against so many people. Maybe its you who shouldn't be living in an urban area.
     
  3. slickvic277

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    I think there's a lot of people here who are making comments but have never seen one of these so-called"gardens".There's one across the street from my parents house and it looks like ****.In the summer the plants are 4-5' high,cover every square inch of the property,tied together with rope,twine,string,fishing line,held up with broken pieces of furniture,wood that looks trash picked,closed in with chicken wire and sections of fence that looked like they were found in a dump.
    In the "off" season it's just piles of mud and dirt that cover the concrete and street when it rains.There was a couple of years when it wasn't used and it became a giant weed bed that was the home to all types of wild life.
    It amazes me that this is aloud to go on,when clip gave me a citation for the weed(yes singular)that grew out of my rain spout when I was on vacation a couple of summers ago.
    Now I'm not against someone who wants to put a garden on the front of there property but it should be done in a fashion that improves the look of the property and the neighborhood.It should not look like a south east asian ghetto.
     
  4. Mayfair101

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    Wow Geno you moved? Did you leave Philly?
     
  5. UrbanHomesteadr

    UrbanHomesteadr Homegrown

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    Hell no, I'm the best neighbor you'd ever have. I'd bring you over my famous homemade bread and treats my wife makes. I'd offer to help you anytime you asked. I'd even babysit your dog while you're on vacation. I will keep an eye your property and loved ones. These are all things I do for my neighbors and more, they're like family, I've known them for years. Whether you like it or not, you join the fold when you move in next to me. :)

    However, as soon as you start telling me what to do on my property because you have this or that feeling about it, I've got no time for you. You don't tell another man what to do with his land unless he asks. Ain't right. ;)
     
  6. Geno

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    Nope, just moved to Mt Airy.
     
  7. Mayfair101

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    I thought you liked where you were, did something happen to make you decide to leave? One less crusader for the Northeast!
     
  8. Geno

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    Nothing happened, I just wanted to shorten my commute to work and live in a community whose residents weren't its major detractors.
     
  9. uly55es1

    uly55es1 “anobium punctatum.â€

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    Ouch.
     
  10. Geno

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    Maybe that sounded a tad harsh. I do like the NE although the attitude of some of its residrents was demoralizing.
     
  11. uly55es1

    uly55es1 “anobium punctatum.â€

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    Nah, your cool. The truth is the light.
     
  12. Mayfair101

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    Okay Im analyzing, but do you mean people on here or your neighborhood?
    Thats a shame either way, but really you have to consider this site is a consolidation of people. In the scheme of things a small percentage, to care what they say. Enough to move that is. But glad you found a place you like! Hope you got a good deal on it, nows the time to be buying!
     
  13. Geno

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    There is a sizeable group both online and in person who are negative.
    I didn't move because of people's attitudes, but it is a nice contrast in my new neighborhood that the residents there are so enthusiastic about and involved in their community.
     
  14. Mayfair101

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    So did you get a good deal?
     
  15. Queen Villager

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    If your neighbors are violating a health or safety code, or its otherwise a real nuisance property, you may have a point. If you just don't like the look of a wild garden that is appealing to the property owner, that's another matter. No, the government should not be interfering with a propery owner's rights simply because the neighbors are trying to tell them what to do. That's one of the pleasures of owning property, it's yours to do with as you wish, within the law. What's junky to you may be frugality chic to someone else. This is why there's a "right to dry" movement by people who face interference from neighbors when they try to hang their clothes on a line to dry.

    And yes, I'd like to grow my own vegetables, too.
     
  16. UrbanHomesteadr

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    Well put and really sad that people need to join a movement to secure their right to air dry their clothes.
     
  17. Geno

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    I think the quality of life is worth the price.
     
  18. PortPennFerry

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    Resourceful

    Ok, for a disclaimer, i'd like to say that even though I only lived in Tacony for several months, I have lived in Port Richmond for a significant chunk of my life and I tried to turn my rowhome into an attractive green space. And what happened? My neighbors can get real mean.
    So my stoop juts out, perpendicular to the street, and that leaves the space between my basement window and my street completely bare and covered with concrete. I decided to put in some potted bushes and a few of my elderly neighbors started grumbling to me that it'd increase the amount of sweeping that they have to do. I told them that the leaves would just fall into the pot, and if they didn't, I'd pounce on them. THey didn't care. Next time I tried to say hi, they ignored me.
    A lot of people have a problem with greenery in Philadelphia because they're too lazy to take care of it. But if you want your block to be seen as a nice one, there really is nothing better than actually doing something with your lawn- like planting a tree or making a garden.
    I don't doubt that the garden looks a bit untidy. But like other people have said, look outside the box- your neighbors are actually being very resourceful and doing better things with their trash than dumping it. They are trying to sustainable, without really knowing about the term- I think that's more admirable than all of a sudden declaring that you 'want to be a green' and getting a Prius.
     
  19. xanthus

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    I'm always surprised by the topics that generate such interest -- and venom -- on this blog. Gardens, no less.

    You'd need lawyers to sort this out because it is an obvious conflict of rights.

    People have rights to do what they want with their properties as long as they don't violate the Philadelphia Code. It's admirable that people use their little pieces of land to grow food for their families. For me, anywhere I can rest my head at night and grow some veggies, too, is home.

    On the other hand, neighbors' property values shouldn't be diminished by actions that are legal but make the community look seedy.

    Call your local council member's office and ask if the "ghetto garden" violates the zoning code. It just might, but I kinda doubt it.

    If the garden in question attracts rodents or other pests, those wonderful people at L&I might make the property owner get rid of it.

    Also, look at BRT records for the address. They'll tell you who actually owns the property and where to reach the owner (if it is a rental).

    There is a link on the site that will tell you if taxes are owed. You can make further inquiries to see if there are permits for rentals and maybe contact the owner, who likely wants to stay under the city's radar, and ask him firmly to take care of the problem.

    Also, if you have a local civic organization, you might take your complaints there, but most don't meet in July or August. However, people who participate in civics generally have a handle on such things and might give you a few worthwhile suggestions.
     
  20. Nadia Cinque

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    I have heard that green beans and tomatoes are toxic for rats and if you have a mouse as a pet, you are advised not to feed it green beans or raw tomatoes if I am not mistaken..
    So, what kind of vegetable/fruits attract rats? I know usually rats prefer to eat food left in the garbage, and not fresh fruits/vegetables...I also heard that mint and other spices, are not liked by rats..probably something else or someone else is attracting rats, like the smell of food or spill of those grills people use when cooking outside, garbage, dog/cat food etc......

    Can someone tell me what kind of vegetable/fruits attract rats? Lots of people plant edible gardens all over Philly...in front and back yard, on top of roofs, I even saw edible gardens inside some wooden containers by a church near my house.

    Victorian Gardens were encouraged by the government in the old days, and they saved many people, and can still help people a lot if they are well kept and well used and the modern American mentality adapts to the new needs of people, wanting again their Victorian Gardens that cans save Americans again in many different ways..by keeping people engaged in outdoor activities and get closer to nature learning how to care for plants you can eat and can be good for your health and your pocket because you know what you have planted and what you have used for those plants, while those bought at the supermarket, we do not really know what nutritional value they have and how much pesticides/poisons have absorbed..I have a faulty damaged liver, so I try to plant little tings on my own that can help my liver recover the poison/unhealthy food we are forced to consume because we have no alternative or not financial resources to buy natural greens/vegetables, much more expensive of regular ones......

    Can we create a post with the most beautiful back and front edible gardens of our neighborhood and links for places where to get advice on how to make a nice display of edible plants becoming again popular?

    We could vote the best ones or get ideas from others! Even rich people are going back to edible gardens because concerned about the toxicity and low nutrition of what is sold in supermarkets.
     
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    Sorry, I meant Victory Gardens, but I cannot correct my comment.
     
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    wow thats a big forum bump
     
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    Intelligent honest people, should appreciate that other cultures instead of collecting welfare and food stamps, doing
    nothing all day, they work hard and plant their own food instead of useless silly plants, and Americans forgot
    about their past and victory gardens feeding most poor starving Americans, allowing them to recover and build again their
    nation with the help of those edible gardens promoted by the government, and now the new Americans, forgot their starving
    heritage and those victory gardens saving the lives of their grandparents and saving the country, and do not like to see anymore
    victory gardens or edible gardens near their home?

    I believe in your own yard, you should be free to plant whatever you like; the earth was given to us to be used
    for our needs, and now people's need is again food, so let them be free to eat their own food from their yard, and is
    also an educational and healthy activity for children and families to see plants growing, to care for their food
    and their health, because food form supermarket is less and less nutritious and full of poison and hormones to make
    them grow fast with no proper vitamins, but the one you plant, you know what it is and how it was treated, and
    your health should be your first priority, unless you prefer to have pretty flower over your yard, and over your
    grave, for getting slowly poisoned with unhealthy, contaminated, poisonous food making lot of us sick and lack vitamins.
    Less tv/pc/smartphone and more open air activity like planting greens, would not hurt people, especially those retired,
    that can discover lot of pleasure from the gift mother earth can give us when we learn to know her, to use
    her for our needs and pleasure, and to respect her.

    In many places there is a coming back to Victory Gardens, not only among low class or poor people, but even
    rich and well educated people understand the importance, need and pleasure of planting their own food, so our
    government will have to adapt to the new people's needs going back to Victory Gardens to take better care of
    their financial situation (natural untreated food is very expensive) and their health.

    When the Americans got over the hunger time, when everyone was planting fruits/vegetable everywhere, and people
    began to have better lives with more money, they decided that it was not ok anymore to do what saved their
    lives and their country, but it was better to have only useless pretty grass, bushes and trees around the house,
    giving nothing to the people, but just their beauty becoming new fashion to show off the new trends of the ex
    starving Americans, convinced now, that planting food in your front or back yard is not good anymore.

    Those edible gardens, saved many Americans in the past, and are helping and saving many American families today too,
    and there are other things we should be concerned with and ashamed of, not of people planting their own food to make ends
    meet or to take better care of their health or for getting closer to nature we have detached from.

    There are people doing crimes/drugs, with very pretty gardens, and they are the ones you should be concerned
    with...not those honest ones working hard for their own food.

    Tons of people are planting vegetable for fun too, and you can see so many edible plants sold around the
    stores, because there is a great new discovery/appreciation of what many have forgotten...

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    I will post somewhere else, my crazy front yard, feeding me all summer long and it was lots of fun to play with vegetables and see them growing and enjoy their delicious taste, different from the one found in supermarkets...my yard is extremely small, but it gave me so much joy even if I am not good in planting, and I was just experimenting with lots of excitement for the results mother earth has given me. Thanks!!!
    I suggest to all of you to get involved with edible gardens/landscaping becoming more and more popular...
     
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    Hospitalitygirl Resident Ornery Bitch

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    Actually, as it's coming into the summer growing season, I really don't mind seeing such a bump in a topic. Nadia's at least moved it forward in a positive way, and you should click on her video. You probably won't understand her Italian, but you can see how tidy her front lawn garden is, and the lovely rows of 2 types of sage, a couple of rose bushes, tomato plants and zucchini among the other things she's grown. It's a nice victory garden and not at all messy.
     
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    I was finally able to put four raised beds last year. I really missed gardening.
     
  27. phillyaggie

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    what are you growing, boognish?

    many people grow the cherry tomatoes in south philly. i've tried to grow heirloom varieties in my backyard but squirrels get to them before they're even ripe. i haven't invested in animal/pest protection yet such as chicken wire cages of some sort.

    this year i'm growing mint and strawberry, strawberry for the first time. i'm supposed to nip the flowers in the bud so that the plant uses more energy in spreading more shoots which will mean a healthier harvest next year. they're supposed to be a good ground cover and will over winter, or so I'm told. i'll find out.

    i have pepper seeds but i refuse to plant.

    i tried to grow two avocados from the big seed... the squirrel and/or the opposum family thought it was a big joke and gobbled it up before the week was out. they even dug up my tulip bulbs...

    so i'm slowly giving up on growing anything other than just flowers...
     
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    One bed is all cutting flowers. One is for herbs...all the standards. One bed is for heirloom tomatoes--four varieties (I also have a squirrel issue, but they grew so well last year, it was more annoying than anything), green beans & fava beans. Finally in the last one I have carrots, fennel, radishes, swiss chard, peppers, and squash. It really feels good to look out the back window and see all those goodies.

    My daughter's pre-school class is coming by tomorrow to pick up my extra tomato plants that I grew from seed this winter. Should be cute to see them all here.
     
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    dang! summer salad party at boognish's garden patch! lol

    we can recall our salad days... lol
     
  30. boognish

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    Oh yeah, and lettuces!

    Gardening was something I had to do as a kid (hated weeding), but I fell in love with when I lived in Japan as a young man. I'm so happy I was able to put these boxes in...they take up a good part of the yard, but there's still plenty of space for my daughter to play. We also have a front garden full of perrenials, but this year I've slacked on the porch's hanging baskets.
     
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