Broad and Washington

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  1. Scoats

    Scoats Well-Known Member

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    I suspect it is more an issue of surplus of retail and restaurant supply and just hard it is run a business these days, rather than being located on the ground floor of a residential building.
     
  2. Outlaw Star

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    I think a bigger problem is that South Broad isn't in any way cohesive. It's an odd mix of residential, large developer boxes, auto-centric development and empty lots. As a result, the retail that is there, particularly in the one-off residential projects you mention, tends to be kind of isolated in a way that you don't see in more bustling corridors. There's nothing really connecting one to another, or everything together. And isolated retail is a recipe for disaster, unless it's some kind of mega attraction, and that's a tall order for most businesses.
     
  3. mixiboi

    mixiboi Philly Remixed

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  4. MNG1324

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    Meanwhile over in Bartland on the other side of the Street......crickets.....
     
  5. DCnPhilly

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    I mean, it's not architecturally interesting at all, and adding Target only makes it look more like the big box it is. I wonder how this trend of slapping colorful plastic panels on otherwise plain buildings is going to weather the years? In any event, as much as I hate big box stores in inner cities, it's probably the best thing that could ever happen to this intersection.

    Talking up thread about the lack of retail in 777, Dranoff's problem might be that he was thinking too small for this particularly desolate stretch of Broad. It's not really a strip where you want to sit outside on the sidewalk or set up a chic boutique. It's utilitarian: CVS, fast food, tags and titles...Target. But Target's clientelle are the kind that bridges the gap between what this part of South Broad eventually became and the more bustling streets just a block or two away.

    It's going to bring people up from South Philly neighborhoods and over from Hawthorne and Graduate Hospital, and get them walking around South Broad, not to mention those living above it. If 777 had been stacked atop a larger box this could have happened already. Now Dranoff might actually get the foot traffic he needs, not for anything hip or unique, but probably a Starbucks and a Chipotle.
     
  6. mixiboi

    mixiboi Philly Remixed

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    Which is what we need more foot traffic, which is why Target here and at 6th and Spring Garden are good improvements.
     
  7. DCnPhilly

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    Oh, I didn't know about that one. Are there any renderings? Any chance it will replace that stripmall?

    *updated...I found it. For some reason I thought that one was up further.
     
  8. Shadowbat

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    Wow, Target is really doubling down on Philly all of a sudden! They are also remodeling the one near Front and Snyder as well....
     
  9. MNG1324

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    So Sprouts, Petsmart and Target have been confirmed for retail portion of Lincoln Square. The DGS site also looks to confirm a state store but there's been no formal announcement as of yet. I'm sure they will add a CVS and I'm guessing there isn't much space left after that.
     
  10. tsarstruck

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    CVS has already been confirmed, but as part of the Target. It looks to me that the Target will be mostly on the second floor.

    They still have space for the Wine & Sprits, a coffee shop (smart money a Starbucks, given the renderings), and a restaurant (your guess is as good as mine for that).

    My best guesses based on the rendering below:

    * on the corner of 15th and Washington extending east is the Petsmart.
    * East of that on Washington is a space marked "retail" that I think might be the state store.
    * On the corner of Broad and Washington is the Target, which extends to the second floor, where the CVS Pharmacy is
    * On Broad, nearest the Target is a space that's consistently been a green-signed "Coffee Shop"
    * Next to that moving north is a space designated for a restaurant marked
    * Next to that, is the Sprouts, extending into the train shed

    Of course, they could change things around. Maybe there won't be a restaurant and that's where the liquor store will go (but I doubt it, given their plans for the walkway). Maybe there won't be a coffee shop. But I think the above is pretty likely.


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  11. Shadowbat

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    The Starbucks might be part of the Target :) I know that will be the case for the Front and Snyder one-right next to the future Acme, which will *also* have a Starbucks....
     
  12. DCnPhilly

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    Target/CVS/PetSmart seem like an odd trio for one location, especially Target and CVS. Besides prescriptions, why would anyone go to CVS when Target is next door? It also sounds like chain store hell, but I'm not even going to rant about that...yet.
     
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    CVS runs the Target pharmacies now.
     
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  14. MNG1324

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    Kimco bought into this development ....so seeing suburban power center retail is to be expected. Depending on the size of the restaurant space you could expect Panera, Chili's, Five Guys or some other chain.
     
  15. phillyaggie

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    ^ that's a downer, about the chain restaurant. Although it makes sense.

    I've been hoping it would be a local brewpub or similar, with a live music and liquor license aspect to it. Basically, a version of South (on North Broad). Something like that, I imagine, would do very well at this location.
     

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