Atlantic City Rail Line to suspend in September

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  1. O.H. Lee

    O.H. Lee Well-Known Member

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    Besides the casino workers, did anyone else take it regularly ?

    I don’t see many tourist taking the train to Atlantic City.
     
  2. Alley

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    I have taken it a few times over the years. Mainly to meet people already in AC for convention center other events at casinos. Took it about a month ago from 30th to and from. I'm a big public transit person. The issues experienced made me think maybe I'll drive next time. The website indicated work until around 4 pm and they were busing. I planed my trip after 4 pm from 30th. Get to 30th not any status notice. They are busing because of some signal issues. Turns out signal issues are an every day issue. When passengers figured out what was going on everyone ran to where shuttle buses where suppose to be. One bus initial showed up for hundreds of passengers. Not enough buses for a Friday night 5 pm to get people to Cherry Hill. Many passengers took Uber to Cherry Hill and/or AC or gave up on NJ transit. That did make the shuttle passenger line shorter. Get to Cherry Hill on the shuttle bus and then we have to wait, wait wait for the train. Turns out we are waiting for the next train from 30th Street! Coming back Sunday similar issues. Train delayed from AC. I go walk around shops come back and find out one train did leave. This even though I was told it would be hours. I get on train it is ridiculously hot. Train gets us as far as Cherry Hill. Everyone gets off and we wait and wait and wait for shuttle buses. The NJ transit workers attitude is horrendous too. There is more to this fiasco. I felt terrible for the older, people with young kids and handicap people. Especially in the heat Sunday just being pushed off train in Cherry Hill. Seeing notice AC line is being shut down I'm not surprised at all. It is a shame if the service had been good I'm sure people would have used it more.
     
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  3. Nytecat

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    https://www.courierpostonline.com/s...down-impact-south-jersey-commuters/908749002/

    This article highlights the struggles current ACRL riders will face without trains, with a particular focus on those commuting from Lindenwold to Atlantic City. They really need to add a few express buses to the mix because the 554 alone ain't gonna cut it. Overall ridership has been down in recent years owing to the downturn in the casino business. But cutting a Philadelphia oriented AM train has also harmed ridership coming this way.

    Amtrak continues to publish the NJT ACRL schedule in their timetables, a practice that dates from their operation of the short lived Gamblers Express in the early 1990s. One thing I've always wondered is how many through riders connect directly to NEC or Harrisburg trains for continuing travel? I wish there was a way to research this. One thing I recall is that after ACES was cancelled, the Quick Track ticket vending machine stayed there for another year or so. It was no doubt intended to be a convenience for those connecting to Amtrak trains in Philly. But because it was removed, it leads me to believe this market isn't that big.
     
  4. Alley

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    I could look this up too. Coming back on the train from AC I was wondering if I could have got off in Lindenwold. Then taken PATCO to 8th/Market rather than 30th Street. I asked the person who took my ticket / conductor 1. If there were any known issues that would prevent the AC train I was on from going to 30th Street and 2. If it was possible to get off in Lindenwold and catch PATCO to Philly. He looked at me like I was nuts, mumbled about train going to 30th and walked away. So NOT helpful!
     
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    Strange behavior. Maybe he was having a bad hair day? But unless there's an ongoing issue with the Delair Bridge, there's no reason to expect the train won't be able to reach 30th Street on or close to schedule. What I don't know is how much advance notice the crew has of a routine bridge opening. Does the dispatcher notify them ahead of time or do they simply not know until they see the stop signal in Pennsauken?

    Anyway, with the Atlantic City Line continuing to lose ridership, there is a real concern that the line may not reopen in "four months". In fact, some believe it's a ploy by NJT to discontinue the line altogether.

    Please NJ Transit, don't take our trains away, commuters plead

    Atlantic City train shutdown feeds fears for the future
     
  6. dontforget

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    Yes, a PATCO/SEPTA transfer is a way (or was a way) to get from Lindenwold to 30th Street Station. I'm not a regular user, but kind of wish that the NJ Transit AC Line could at least be run between Lindenwold and Atlantic City. or between Lindenwold and Absecon instead of a full suspension. I'm probably one of the few people that have used the line to reach the ACY airport. I took NJT AC Line between Lindenwold to Absecon, then Lyft to ACY for a flight. I also returned out the airport, then got on a jitney to the end of the line to take the train back west.
     
  7. OakmontGuy

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    I think it's important to note that this is not a permanent shutdown/suspension of service. They're doing it to implement Positive Train Control safety systems on the line.
     
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    I hope you are right
     
  9. Nytecat

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    I'm very leery of this too. Have any contracts been awarded for installation of equipment along the right of way? Has anybody seen work crews along the line? If they're sincere about restoring service in early 2019, it should be a pretty easy thing to verify. Not ACRL related but I think most of the remaining Arrow IIIs will be retired. No way they're installing PTC in all those control stands. Hopefully they'll keep enough to cover the Dinky, the Gladstone branch, and Hoboken to Montclair. Since the Dinky is strictly a one train operation for the entire "line", they may not have to add PTC to the Princeton Branch itself.
     
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    Cherry Hill’s little-known train stop seen as a potentially big link to Philly

    Lengthy article with meaningless title IMO. But in the article, it mentions an access road to eventually be built linking the new Garden state development with the Cherry Hill station when Costco is built. I don't know why the access road is dependent on the Costco developers building the store. The access road should have been in Cherry Hill's original Masterplan when the old race track was first being transformed into retail/mixed use. The crossing doesn't seem as necessary IMO and NJ Transit is opposed to a proposed at grade crossing.
     
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  13. Politburo

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    Always comes down to money. They can force the developers to pay for the upgrades. It would definitely help access from local neighborhoods to the east, but like the article mentions it's the service frequency that is the real roadblock.
     
  14. dontforget

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    Cherry Hill should have "forced" developers for those road access, when the first big boxes were built at the former racetrack. Odd, it is discovering the apparent value of the train station now, while the line is out of service.
     
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