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Discussion in 'West Philadelphia / University City' started by Jayfar, Dec 19, 2016.
So did Fresh Grocer actually vacate or close? They're still live in the company's store locator.
Gentrification strikes again.
As of today, they are still there.
The Business Journal article inaccurately states "The new Acme will backfill space vacated by Fresh Grocer," even though Fresh Grocer is still operating and litigating the lease termination. The Daily Pennsylvanian has a more accurate write-up:
The supermarket doesn’t appear to be giving up its fight to remain in place anytime soon though. Throughout the month of April, the Fresh Grocer has continued taking out ads in The Daily Pennsylvanian, including one forthcoming in Wednesday’s paper where it uses the hashtag #SavePennFroGro.
Ed Datz, the Executive Director of Real Estate at Penn Facilities and Real Estate Services, said the University is currently in litigation with Fresh Grocer, whose lease of the property expired March 31. According to FRES Communications Director Jennifer Rizzi, however, the Fresh Grocer “rejects Penn’s position” that the lease expired on that day.
Penn announces plan to replace the Fresh Grocer with Acme — which will include a Starbucks | TheDP.com
So Fresh Grocer will just up and closed one day similar to what happen with the Superfresh on South street?
Completely different situations. Superfresh was part of A&P, which went bankrupt.
Fresh Grocer is not going bankrupt; rather, it would appear that it simply has refused to leave after the lease terminated and Penn is trying to evict it. Now, it certainly could decide at any time to just give up the fight and lock the doors, or Penn could win the lawsuit and lock it out overnight, but I suspect neither will actually happen. If FG wins, it stays. If Penn wins, I suspect they will negotiate some sort of orderly removal of property and equipment (although no doubt the store will be closed while Acme refurbishes it). Or, most likely, there will be a negotiated settlement which will result in one of the same two options.
Anyone know why Wegmans Supermarket are not in Philly?
I love their store in Cherry Hill.
They don't do stores in cities. They were supposedly going to make an exception in Boston, but maybe not:
Wegmans ‘unlikely’ to have urban store in Boston's Fenway anytime soon | Boston Business Journal
Or maybe Boston in 2019 or 2020:
Wegmans in, non-anchor stores out at Meadow Glen Mall in Medford
There's still a Brooklyn store planned for next year, afaik.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's still on. Seems like a trial balloon to me.
My whole take on the 40th St. Fresh Grocer is that the company didn't know if it could succeed at that location. As such, they never properly gave a crap about it. I will go to the Grey's Ferry FG any day of the week, but despite living within walking distance of the 40th St store, I refuse to go there. The prices were random and/or high, the layout is terrible, and the staff was surly at best. I once desperately needed a rug cleaner (long story, but a property I manage had a leak in the roof and this princess Penn kid was screaming at me about it, so this was about all I could do to help the situation). I waited in line for 25 agonizing minutes (because I was really stressed out...it was my birthday and I was watching my baby girl that day) at customer service. Finally, I filled out all the paperwork, paid, and pulled out the cleaner. It was clearly broken, and the last unit.
I realize that's possibly the polar opposite of how many feel and a one-off experience, but it completely exemplifies how that store was run...no help, long lines, and shoddy "merchandise". And let me tell you, that area of West Philly was a complete food desert after Thriftway closed in '99 (I think). I didn't own a car, so getting groceries took serious planning. I was thrilled when Fresh Grocer opened, but its flaws were immediately obvious to the point that I stopped going at all. I've gone two times at most in the last 10 years.
So bring on Acme. I don't think I've ever shopped at one, but hopefully they can do something with that store.
^The way Acme is being run at the very moment, I see "experiences" like that being the norm sadly....
Yeah, I can't find anyone who's excited about Acme. Doesn't Whole Foods have a cheaper store line? That would be a great fit.
Whole Foods 365?
Yeah that is still coming:
The Silver Lakes location makes me wonder what they can do with the historical supermaket at Frankford Terminal.
Personally, I like Acme. I am more excited that FG is leaving that location; whomever goes in. At least at the beginning they will probably be pretty good.
I do wonder if they will go back to free parking for grocery users.
That's how I'm looking at it. Penn, for better or for worse, really does know business on its properties. There are plenty of places I wish hadn't been kicked out of Penn properties over the years (I miss you Tony Luke's but Penn kids had no idea what you were and you had a crappy business model), but FG is certainly not one of them.
And like I said, it's so strange considering that their new store on Grey's Ferry is really pretty decent.
ODragon, what neighborhood are you in? We're Spruce Hill.
I'll never forget when a friend of mine bought a house in Garden Court, and I thought, "$250k?! That's crazy!"
Well Fresh Grocer is still contesting there eviction by Penn. Penn's plan to have the changeover during the summer so there's a grocery store open for the fall semester is in jeopardy. That might make Penn throw $$$ at the situation which would be a good negotiation ploy by Fresh Grocer.
Thanks for the update.
So Fresh Grocer is still operating there at this point?
Penn said it planned to replace The Fresh Grocer months ago — so why is it still here?
I'm honestly confused. You'd think Penn would have the best lawyers in the city. I guess these things just take time.
Penn Students Shocked to Learn There Is Another Grocery Store Near Campus
Ha! I've had my tenants tell me that 43rd and Spruce is dangerous. Must be that Penn Alexander school or the ruffians congregating around Lil Pop Shop.
Penn undergrads generally think anything west of 40th street is dangerous.
It's strange to me only in that, although it used to be somewhat shady past 40th, my ex-wife used to frequent Murph's at 44th & Spruce in the early 90's.
But some of my tenants, while technically brilliant, are amazingly naive. About almost everything.
Yeah, that's because it was one of the last remaining places that didn't card you. It was more a matter of "braving the risk" because of necessity
I guess the good news is that regardless of which "flag" ends up on this location, Penn will ensure that a grocery store of some kind continues to operate at this location. On the Acme front, I'll say I'm impressed with their overhaul of the 2nd and Girard store. Better produce section, great wine and beer selection, good rearrangement of existing sections that took awhile get to get used to but now make shopping easier. Can't speak to their corporate operations or even to other locations, but I like that particular Acme.
Plus they added a nice beer section which is better than paying $20 for a six pack at the Foodery.
Lived at Murph's late 80's into the 90's. SEE YA IN CHURCH!!
In '85 we moved from 42nd to 45th and Baltimore. Everyone was like, ooh 45th, so scary! So stupid.
Can't believe all these years later there's still that sentiment.