How far out do you live?

[randomuser]

Meh

Ambler has rowhomes too and was built for the asbestos industry, not really due to its proximity to Philly.

And come on man you're totally white trash just embrace it. If you're not then no one is

Regardless of whether it has some rowhomes, it's in Montco and in a damn good school district compared to ours. It's not the same thing. You've benefited from being close to Philly but having better schools. We didn't benefit much from our position near the city at all. If you don't get the difference then think for a second about the fact that the first kids not from the city to talk about the city are always from Montco and Bucks, never my part of Delco.

I'm not even remotely kidding when I tell you that I would love to see you call me white trash to my face. You don't know me, and I do not appreciate being called something I have never been by some kid from Montco.

[OffenseTaken]

As loathe as I am to intervene in this ongoing sh*tshow, I just want to point out that a town doesn't need to be a postwar bedroom community in order to be a "suburb." Many suburban towns, especially in this part of the country, were founded around the same time as their core cities. They might also have hosted industries of their own, not just houses for people who work elsewhere. They're still suburbs.

It has nothing to do with whether the housing stock is attached or detached, how tough the people are, etc. If someone wants to make that his private definition of a suburb, of course he is free to do so.

[John Goodman]

Regardless of whether it has some rowhomes, it's in Montco and in a damn good school district compared to ours. It's not the same thing. You've benefited from being close to Philly but having better schools. We didn't benefit much from our position near the city at all. If you don't get the difference then think for a second about the fact that the first kids not from the city to talk about the city are always from Montco and Bucks, never my part of Delco.

I'm not even remotely kidding when I tell you that I would love to see you call me white trash to my face. You don't know me, and I do not appreciate being called something I have never been by some kid from Montco.

Keep this violent attitude in your white trash hellhole please

[thoth]

Are you serious? Now you're refuting your own point about dense towns that evolved separately from the city but later became subsumed by suburbs not qualifying as actual suburbs. Ambler was founded as an industrial town centered around the railroad in the mid-1800s, prior to consolidation.

So really what you're saying is:

Dense old town w/good quality of life = SUBURB

Dense old town w/bad quality of life = ORIGINAL GANGSTER

Lol I f*cking knew it. Ambler is a suburb and it always has been. It's absolutely nothing like this area, whatsoever. You go to nice little schools, live in nice little houses, and you're going to try to act like you're not a suburb?

I grew up in a rowhome in a working class neighborhood that's existed since West Philly wasn't even a part of Philly,and I would love to see you call me either suburban or white trash to my face.

You disagree? You don't have any right to disagree or leg to stand on when doing so.

[randomuser]

As loathe as I am to intervene in this ongoing sh*tshow, I just want to point out that a town doesn't need to be a postwar bedroom community in order to be a "suburb." Many suburban towns, especially in this part of the country, were founded around the same time as their core cities. They might also have hosted industries of their own, not just houses for people who work elsewhere. They're still suburbs.

It has nothing to do with whether the housing stock is attached or detached, how tough the people are, etc. If someone wants to make that his private definition of a suburb, of course he is free to do so.

You do not define what a suburb is. A suburb is a place that was built because of a city and relies on a city. Bordering a city or being near it doesn't make a place a suburb. If a place has always been independent, does not and never has relied on a city for anything, and was built separately when there was no section of the city anywhere within 5 miles of it, then no it's not a suburb.

Keep this violent attitude in your white trash hellhole please

Typical Monto kid.. runs his mouth then acts like he's above it.

Are you serious? Now you're refuting your own point about dense towns that evolved separately from the city but later became subsumed by suburbs not qualifying as actual suburbs. Ambler was founded as an industrial town centered around the railroad in the mid-1800s, prior to consolidation.

So really what you're saying is:

Dense old town w/good quality of life = SUBURB

Dense old town w/bad quality of life = ORIGINAL GANGSTER

West Philly was originally a suburb. Would you call it a suburb now? No, you wouldn't. So was North Philly and others. Ambler is a suburb because it functions as one and has for quite some time now. They get mostly the wealthy and middle class of the city. We get the people who have been priced out of sh*tty neighborhoods and the working class. It's not the same thing and never will be. Furthermore, how is being centered around the railroad the same as coming up with no connection to Philadelphia whatsoever?

I don't think you have a clue what OG actually is by the way.

[randomuser]

double post

Thank you for ruining my thread by the way.

[OffenseTaken]

You do not define what a suburb is. A suburb is a place that was built because of a city and relies on a city. Bordering a city or being near it doesn't make a place a suburb. If a place has always been independent, does not and never has relied on a city for anything, and was built separately when there was no section of the city anywhere within 5 miles of it, then no it's not a suburb.

But you do? This is exactly what I'm saying: there is no official definition of a suburb, like there is for "first-class Pennsylvania city" or "quadrilateral" or "kangaroo." Your criteria are bogus and self-serving.

double post

Thank you for ruining my thread by the way.

Your absolutely vile attitude is what ruined your own thread.

[randomuser]

But you do? This is exactly what I'm saying: there is no official definition of a suburb, like there is for "first-class Pennsylvania city" or "quadrilateral" or "kangaroo." Your criteria are bogus and self-serving.



Your absolutely vile attitude is what ruined your own thread.

Yes, there is an official definition. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Stop projecting onto me already.

Right... I'm sure it had nothing to do with the repeated and completely unnecessary remarks made by others or the fact that the second post in the thread, by annie, was a completely unnecessary way of bringing an argument from other threads into this one or that she followed it up with a post claiming I threatened people and posting part of a PM. Yup, you're right.. my "absolutely vile" attitude (man you must've never seen your own attitude if you think mine is vile, mr. working class wannabe) forced people to make the posts that they did as if they were under a spell. I guess seand was immune to my manipulation because he's the only one who actually gave me an answer.

[thoth]

You're cherry picking. I think your personal definition of a suburb is just any place where middle class and rich people live.

You want some sort of recognition for growing up in this nameless, hyperspecific, possibly non-existant, urbanized, completely-independent-of-but-close-enough to-get-the-cred-of-a-city, low income town surrounded by suburbs.

You said "Ambler is a suburb and it always has been", which is incorrect. It had it's own industry and shipped products to ports in Phila for a century. Like plenty of old towns in the region, it was a working class town in the countryside until it was surrounded by sprawling developments in more recent decades. So folks who grew up in the older, rowhome part of it lose their cred? Or they need to be spaced closer together to other towns to count? Your criteria are endless.

You do not define what a suburb is. A suburb is a place that was built because of a city and relies on a city. Bordering a city or being near it doesn't make a place a suburb. If a place has always been independent, does not and never has relied on a city for anything, and was built separately when there was no section of the city anywhere within 5 miles of it, then no it's not a suburb.

Typical Monto kid.. runs his mouth then acts like he's above it.

West Philly was originally a suburb. Would you call it a suburb now? No, you wouldn't. So was North Philly and others. Ambler is a suburb because it functions as one and has for quite some time now. They get mostly the wealthy and middle class of the city. We get the people who have been priced out of sh*tty neighborhoods and the working class. It's not the same thing and never will be. Furthermore, how is being centered around the railroad the same as coming up with no connection to Philadelphia whatsoever?

I don't think you have a clue what OG actually is by the way.

[OffenseTaken]

Yes, there is an official definition.

Link?

Right... I'm sure it had nothing to do with the repeated and completely unnecessary remarks made by others or the fact that the second post in the thread, by annie, was a completely unnecessary way of bringing an argument from other threads into this one or that she followed it up with a post claiming I threatened people and posting part of a PM.

It's unbelievable that you're the least bit surprised by this. Have you ever read what you say to people? You fly off the handle when you get one-tenth of the **** you give almost everybody. The whole topic of this thread seems constructed to lure people in so you can bitch them out. Unfortunately, no one was unsuspecting enough to fall for it. And voilà.

Yup, you're right.. my "absolutely vile" attitude (man you must've never seen your own attitude if you think mine is vile, mr. working class wannabe) forced people to make the posts that they did as if they were under a spell.

I'm starting to realize that your definition of "working class" is even more arbitrary than the one you give "suburb": it's just whatever you want to associate yourself with. This is another reason why you foreclose all constructive dialogue.

[randomuser]

You're cherry picking. I think your personal definition of a suburb is just any place where middle class and rich people live.

You want some sort of recognition for growing up in this nameless, hyperspecific, possibly non-existant, urbanized, completely-independent-of-but-close-enough to-get-the-cred-of-a-city, low income town surrounded by suburbs.

You said "Ambler is a suburb and it always has been", which is incorrect. It had it's own industry and shipped products to ports in Phila for a century. Like plenty of old towns in the region, it was a working class town in the countryside until it was surrounded by sprawling developments in more recent decades. So folks who grew up in the older, rowhome part of it lose their cred? Or they need to be spaced closer together to other towns to count? Your criteria are endless.

What you think is irrelevant.

Recognition? No, I want people like you to shut the f*ck up about a place you know nothing about. "Cred of the city"? You're kidding right? Nobody here claims the city. There's a reason the people outside of the city you see talking about it are from Montco and Bucks and not my area. We respect boundaries and we have our own, lesser cred than the city.

Regardless of what part of that "working class" town they grow up in, they grow up in a nice area with great schools. That's exactly what a typical suburb is. It was built along the railroad, which means it relied on its proximity to Philly's railroad, and it later became one of the nicer suburbs of the city for the past at least half-century.

Link?



It's unbelievable that you're the least bit surprised by this. Have you ever read what you say to people? You fly off the handle when you get one-tenth of the **** you give almost everybody. The whole topic of this thread seems constructed to lure people in so you can bitch them out. Unfortunately, no one was unsuspecting enough to fall for it. And voilà.



I'm starting to realize that your definition of "working class" is even more arbitrary than the one you give "suburb": it's just whatever you want to associate yourself with. This is another reason why you foreclose all constructive dialogue.

Not everything is on the internet. It probably is somewhere, but I'm not bothering with finding it. Of course the original description is an area outside of a city that was seen as lesser by the cityfolk but that definition only applies in places as old as its origin.

Who said I'm surprised. You're immature people who can't take being told you're wrong or being put in your place. If anything, it was expected. I'm sorry that you're so delusional that you can't see that it's actually you who the things you try to project onto me are true of. If that's how you seriously think, that I would waste my time "luring people in" then you have some issues. I genuinely wanted to see how far west people were willing to move. It affects my area, dipsh*t.

I don't think you understand that it's you who is trying to give words new definitions. Working class was defined a long time ago. By the way, here's a piece of advice: Don't try to use words that you can't use correctly. Foreclose all constructive dialogue? Really? Not only is that incredibly delusional on your part but the sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

[thoth]

Regardless of what part of that "working class" town they grow up in, they grow up in a nice area with great schools. That's exactly what a typical suburb is.

Okay, just wanted to make sure that opinion was clear for anyone that is still observing this thread.

It was built along the railroad, which means it relied on its proximity to Philly's railroad, and it later became one of the nicer suburbs of the city for the past at least half-century.

I would say less than even a half century. If relying on Phila-centric rail systems = suburbs than I guess you can add all of NE PA coal country to your list of posers, and plenty of Delco while you're at it.

[OffenseTaken]

Not everything is on the internet. It probably is somewhere, but I'm not bothering with finding it. Of course the original description is an area outside of a city that was seen as lesser by the cityfolk but that definition only applies in places as old as its origin.

Who said I'm surprised. You're immature people who can't take being told you're wrong or being put in your place. If anything, it was expected. I'm sorry that you're so delusional that you can't see that it's actually you who the things you try to project onto me are true of. If that's how you seriously think, that I would waste my time "luring people in" then you have some issues. I genuinely wanted to see how far west people were willing to move. It affects my area, dipsh*t.

I don't think you understand that it's you who is trying to give words new definitions. Working class was defined a long time ago. By the way, here's a piece of advice: Don't try to use words that you can't use correctly. Foreclose all constructive dialogue? Really? Not only is that incredibly delusional on your part but the sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Not everything is on the internet but several dictionaries are, which you sorely need. To wit:

sub·urb noun \ˈsə-ˌbərb\

Definition of SUBURB

1
a : an outlying part of a city or town
b : a smaller community adjacent to or within commuting distance of a city

(Note that the Census Department has no definition, but only uses the terms "urban" and "rural.") Merriam-Webster again:

fore·close verb \(ˌ)fȯr-ˈklōz\

Definition of FORECLOSE

transitive verb
1: to shut out : preclude

(I would also post the definition of "tack" that you apparently weren't aware of, but the BS in that thread was thankfully deleted, as I hope this thread will be soon.)

As for the whole working-class thing: you have absolutely no basis saying I'm not in the group but you are. As if it's not clear enough already, you really should avoid saying things you can't back up.

[randomuser]

Okay, just wanted to make sure that opinion was clear for anyone that is still observing this thread.



I would say less than even a half century. If relying on Phila-centric rail systems = suburbs than I guess you can add all of NE PA coal country to your list of posers, and plenty of Delco while you're at it.

It's not really an opinion. That's a major part of what a suburb is in the context of what it means in this country.

Not really. The only parts of Delco that relied on rail from Philadelphia were the Main Line, Ridley Park, Yeadon, Lansdowne, and the part of UD nearest the El. Also, NEPA didn't grow because of any rail connection to Philadelphia. Reading, maybe, but that's not really NEPA.

Not everything is on the internet but several dictionaries are, which you sorely need. To wit:



(Note that the Census Department has no definition, but only uses the terms "urban" and "rural.") Merriam-Webster again:



(I would also post the definition of "tack" that you apparently weren't aware of, but the BS in that thread was thankfully deleted, as I hope this thread will be soon.)

As for the whole working-class thing: you have absolutely no basis saying I'm not in the group but you are. As if it's not clear enough already, you really should avoid saying things you can't back up.

There's only one dictionary. Sites like dictionary.com, urbandictionary, etc aren't now nor have they ever been actual dictionaries. As I pointed out before, the original definition for suburb does not apply in this country because it was coined in a time and place much different than ours.

The Census department says that California's sprawled out suburbs are urban. They're not exactly vetted when it comes to this topic.

I'm pretty sure you meant tact.

Yes I do. If you were working class, running your mouth and acting the way you do would've gotten you put in the hospital growing up or at the very least severely beat down like it does to every loudmouth. You wouldn't come off as the entitled suburban brat that you do. I would also advise you to heed your own words because it's quite obvious you can't back a damn word of what you say up or an ounce of that little attitude of yours.

[thoth]

It's not really an opinion. That's a major part of what a suburb is in the context of what it means in this country.

Just to reiterate so that everyone is still clear on what you're talking about: "...they grow up in a nice area with great schools. That's exactly what a typical suburb is."

Not really. The only parts of Delco that relied on rail from Philadelphia were the Main Line, Ridley Park, Yeadon, Lansdowne, and the part of UD nearest the El. Also, NEPA didn't grow because of any rail connection to Philadelphia. Reading, maybe, but that's not really NEPA.

Once again you assert history incorrectly without any actual sources or citation. NEPA actually grew precisely because coal could be shipped down river to the Lehigh Valley and then deepwater (for the times) ports in Philadelphia amongst other cities. First by canals and then by rail. Mining coal is pointless if you don't have anyone to sell it to. Towns grew in NEPA because coal was profitable. Again, not hard concepts to grasp.

"The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania built the Delaware canal as part of its Main Line of Internal Improvements to carry anthracite coal, limestone, cement, and lumber from the northeastern reaches of Pennsylvania to Philadelphia....But competition from the railroad led to a decline in barge traffic."

Pennsylvania Canal (Delaware Division) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Primarily, the P&R was constructed to haul anthracite coal from the mines in northeastern Pennsylvania's Coal Region to Philadelphia.

Reading Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes I do. If you were working class, running your mouth and acting the way you do would've gotten you put in the hospital growing up or at the very least severely beat down like it does to every loudmouth. You wouldn't come off as the entitled suburban brat that you do. I would also advise you to heed your own words because it's quite obvious you can't back a damn word of what you say up or an ounce of that little attitude of yours.

The only person coming off as a brat here is you. You arrogantly assert all kinds of things without any grounding in fact or reality and then get pissed when people call you out on it. Instead of responding coherently you throw up some BS about class struggle to make yourself look like a victim. Again, you have absolutely no idea where anyone in this thread is from.

[OffenseTaken]

There's only one dictionary.

Let me be clear that everything I say henceforth is solely for your benefit, since anyone capable of saying something like that has destroyed his credibility on virtually every subject under the sun.

Sites like dictionary.com, urbandictionary, etc aren't now nor have they ever been actual dictionaries.

The site I linked to searches the online editions of print dictionaries. Note the plural. The Urban Dictionary isn't one of them.

As I pointed out before, the original definition for suburb does not apply in this country because it was coined in a time and place much different than ours.

I'll have to assume that Randomuser's Unabridged Etymological Dictionary and Historical Encyclopaedia does not yet have an online edition.

The Census department says that California's sprawled out suburbs are urban. They're not exactly vetted when it comes to this topic.

That's because, like I said, they don't even recognize the term "suburb," and Simi Valley is definitely not rural.

I'm pretty sure you meant tact.

Sigh....

tack
/tæk/ n [C] (WAY OF DEALING)

Definition
› one of several possible ways of dealing with something:
When this tack didn’t work, I tried another.

But that's just Cambridge University Press. What the **** do they know. If they ever talked like that in some parts of the Philly Metro, they'd get their mouth slapped.

Yes I do. If you were working class, running your mouth and acting the way you do would've gotten you put in the hospital growing up or at the very least severely beat down like it does to every loudmouth. You wouldn't come off as the entitled suburban brat that you do. I would also advise you to heed your own words because it's quite obvious you can't back a damn word of what you say up or an ounce of that little attitude of yours.

So I get it now: "working class" means "people who beat each other up to settle disagreements." If you hadn't destroyed your credibility long ago, I would say that this is deeply insulting to me and people of working-class origin everywhere.

Here is something to reflect on. Not all working-class people come from whatever hellhole produced you and hasn't yet succeeded in dislodging you. We do not necessarily live like chimpanzees, just because you and your family do. Instead, we learn to be respectful of other people, especially when we haven't (as you love to say) walked a mile in their shoes.

Consider, for example, the other posters in this forum who hail from Eastern Delco, and also come from humble backgrounds. They've made it clear that they find you to be a harmless dork. They didn't threaten you, didn't call you "dipsh*t," probably didn't send you any psychotic private messages, and don't think you're a complete fraud just because they didn't agree with you. That sounds more like the working-class people I know. You, on the other hand, sound like a sociopath.

[thoth]

Consider, for example, the other posters in this forum who hail from Eastern Delco, and also come from humble backgrounds. They've made it clear that they find you to be a harmless dork. They didn't threaten you, didn't call you "dipsh*t," probably didn't send you any psychotic private messages, and don't think you're a complete fraud just because they didn't agree with you. That sounds more like the working-class people I know. You, on the other hand, sound like a sociopath.

Typical spoiled brat talk. Nice try Richie Rich, go back to your MontCo palace and your gold plated dictionary.

[John Goodman]

It's not really an opinion. That's a major part of what a suburb is in the context of what it means in this country.

Not really. The only parts of Delco that relied on rail from Philadelphia were the Main Line, Ridley Park, Yeadon, Lansdowne, and the part of UD nearest the El. Also, NEPA didn't grow because of any rail connection to Philadelphia. Reading, maybe, but that's not really NEPA.

There's only one dictionary. Sites like dictionary.com, urbandictionary, etc aren't now nor have they ever been actual dictionaries. As I pointed out before, the original definition for suburb does not apply in this country because it was coined in a time and place much different than ours.

The Census department says that California's sprawled out suburbs are urban. They're not exactly vetted when it comes to this topic.

I'm pretty sure you meant tact.

Yes I do. If you were working class, running your mouth and acting the way you do would've gotten you put in the hospital growing up or at the very least severely beat down like it does to every loudmouth. You wouldn't come off as the entitled suburban brat that you do. I would also advise you to heed your own words because it's quite obvious you can't back a damn word of what you say up or an ounce of that little attitude of yours.

I could beat you up

[Malloy]

This thread sucks