Why i finally moved out of the city !!

[Pitt]

Except you're more likely to get got by a car than by a bad guy, making the burbs crazy dangerous. Think of the people you know who've been killed or maimed. I know no one in the past thirty years who's been killed or maimed by a bad guy, but I know plenty who will never be the same because of automobiles. It's the car that's gonna get you.

My man - you beat me to it.

[OffenseTaken]

I'm not really concerned about the shootings. I'm just happy that Gio7707 finally feels safe and has the courage to come on this forum and share with us a news story to justify to him/herself that he/she made the right decision.

I'm still trying to figure how a guy who signs every post with

“TO ACHIEVE VICTORY WE MUST MASS OUR FORCES AT THE HUB OF ALL POWER AND MOVEMENT

thinks cutting and running is a good solution to the crime problem. You'd think if he wanted to do something about social injustice, living in the city would at least be a start.

I mean, how does he think you mass your forces "TO ACHIEVE VICTORY"? Is it by busting up drug corners, fundraising for SDP schools, fighting corruption, helping to clean up a city neighborhood where people of all races & classes live, etc.? Or is it by leaving the city and saying "haha it's your all's problem now" like every right-wing troll on Philly.com?

What a phony asshat.

[56MARKET]

Check out "GIOS" other threads.He spends half of his time bashing Philadelphia and the other half proclaiming his ''Progressive/Enlightened ''.Sounds like a real''Limo Liberal''.

[Hospitalitygirl]

I'm still trying to figure how a guy who signs every post with



thinks cutting and running is a good solution to the crime problem. You'd think if he wanted to do something about social injustice, living in the city would at least be a start.

I mean, how does he think you mass your forces "TO ACHIEVE VICTORY"? Is it by busting up drug corners, fundraising for SDP schools, fighting corruption, helping to clean up a city neighborhood where people of all races & classes live, etc.? Or is it by leaving the city and saying "haha it's your all's problem now" like every right-wing troll on Philly.com?

What a phony asshat.

Cognitive dissonance.

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[lucidinnature]

A chronic gambler that doesn't understand statistics? Casinos must adore you. REVELLLLLLLL!!!!! in your own ignorance out in the burbs.

Violent night with 10 shootings that included sleeping woman


Philadelphia Police responded to at least 10 shootings yesterday evening into today, marking a wild night throughout the city.

The spasm of violence began about 5:30 p.m. Thursday and ended with three dead and others wounded by early this morning - over a period of little more than eight hours.

Perhaps the most bizarre incident was actually part of a wild crime spree in Frankford early this morning that ended with a 61-year-old woman being shot in the head with a stray bullet while sleeping in her bed.

That was spillover from another crime, as an alleged robber was breaking into neighboring house in an attempt to elude police, cops said.

The burglary took place about 2 a.m. today on the 5300 block of Charles Street near Bridge Street. The bullet instead tore through the siding of a house and struck the sleeping woman in a second-floor bedroom, Chief Inspector Scott Small said.

When cops responded, they discovered that the bullet -- which had been fired at a 28-year-old woman when she was held up by two men -- had somehow torn through siding beneath a window, drywall, a dresser in the older woman's room and her mattress before striking her, Small said.

Investigators said the bed was covered in the woman's blood, but that it appeared the bullet had slowed down enough by the time it hit her that it didn't hurt her as badly as it could have.

She was taken to Hahnemann University Hospital in stable condition and was having her head X-rayed for skull fractures around 4 a.m., Small said.

The woman was in bed alone at the time, according to cops. A caretaker who was also in the house was not injured.

The men police say were responsible for the shooting had pistol-whipped their 28-year-old robbery victim just prior to firing the gun at her after she refused to give up her belongings, police said. Before that robbery, according to investigators, the thugs had gone on a "crime spree" in the area, robbing at least four people and possibly carjacking a fifth.

Immediately after the shooting, police found the two suspects a few blocks away on Hawthorne Street near Harrison, Small said. Cops chased them and caught one man, who Small said had a gun, money, cell phones and a purse all believed to have been stolen during the robberies in his possession.

The second alleged robber ran to a house on the next block of Hawthorne Street and broke in trying to elude police, Small said. He had no connection to the people who lived in the house, and cops arrested him there. Police said he'll face charges of burglary for the break-in in addition to the charges for the robbery and shooting.

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In other incidents:

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In the first of the string shootings that began yesterday, two teens were shot, one critically, near 15th Street and Duncannon about 5:30 p.m.

Police said the teens, ages 16 and 19, were at 15th and Duncannon around 5:30 p.m. when shots rang out. The 16-year-old boy was wounded in the right leg, and the 19-year-old was shot in the back and both arms.

Both were taken to Albert Einstein Medical Center by medics, where the 19-year-old is in critical condition and the 16-year-old is stable.

Police were still investigating the shooting, and no arrests have been reported.

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At about 9:15 p.m., two men were found shot, one fatally, inside a car in West Philadelphia late Thursday night, and cops were working to determine what led to the shooting.

Cops were called to the scene, at 54th and Ludlow streets, and found two men in their 20s suffering gunshot wounds inside a black Cadillac, Chief Inspector Scott Small said.

A 21-year-old man, identified as Raviya Roeuth, 21, of Philadelphia, was pronounced dead in the driver's seat of a gunshot wound to the neck.

The second man, 27, was taken to the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and remains in critical condition. Police said he was shot at least five times in the neck, hip and wrist.

The shooter was described as a man wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt and blue jeans who was last seen running west on Ludlow. Police said they found spent shell casings inside the car, leading them to believe the shooter was inside the vehicle with his victims when he shot them.

[BarryG]

Check out "GIOS" other threads.He spends half of his time bashing Philadelphia and the other half proclaiming his ''Progressive/Enlightened ''.Sounds like a real''Limo Liberal''.

Nailed it with limousine liberal.

[billy ross]

I've said it before and will say it again. If Philly exiles are so frickin' happy to be outta here, why come on this board. I moved from Jersey in '04 and wouldn't be the least bit interested in reading or participating in a South Jersey message board.

We have community, they don't. However, human beings crave community. That's why they come slinking back. Being alienated sucks.

Also, Philadelphia is pretty amazing. As far as I can tell, Philly owns property in Montgomery County and in Delaware County, but the counties don't seem to own property in Philadelphia. Similarly, on Monday I saw a Philly cop car working in Montgomery County. I don't see county police in Philly; when jobs cross the border it seems like it's always the Philly police that are working over the border, and not the other way around. Just today I was exploring a gorgeous farm and meadow which as far as I can tell is a part of Philly's parks and rec department but is partially in Whitemarsh. They don't do nice stuff like that for us.

[AsYouWere]

I guess one has to weigh the safety (relative) of the boring burbs with the danger of the much more exiting city.

The burbs are safe and boring alright.

[MarketStEl]

there's no relationship between high tax rates (job and business killing high tax rates), unemployment and crime though.

nutter has done such a good job

Wow, a harmonic convergence of Johnny-one-notes.

[InYourVacancies]

For me, all this news is all the more reason for me to be in the city. The city needs the diversity of middle and upper class families that decamped for the suburbs over the past two generations. For me to leave the city is to continue to assist in perpetuating to what got it to its current state. Sure, I can't stop a shooting on the other side of the city, but I believe that I can contribute to my surrounding blocks and neighborhood in ways that wouldn't be as impactful in the homogenous suburbs.

Amen. I get pissy with some of the old-timers who moved out to the suburbs then complain about how so and so or this or that destroyed their neighborhood...and I make it a point to remind them that if they hadn't abandoned their own neighborhoods, they wouldn't be sitting in a strip mall bitching about it.

[lemko]

Amen, brother! Their once-beloved old neighborhoods wouldn't have turned into ghettos if these suburban folks hadn't run away like cowards and let the scum, thugs, and gangstas in. You don't don't solve the problems of crime and blight by running from it, but taking a stand and fighting it until it retreats or disappears. Running away only allows it to chase you until you no longer have a place in which to run. Some of the inner ring suburbs are now just as bad as the inner city. Ask the folks in Upper Darby. As for me, I'm tired of being in a race with the ghetto. It's time to take a stand. There is no place to run! The suburbs are not an option!

Amen. I get pissy with some of the old-timers who moved out to the suburbs then complain about how so and so or this or that destroyed their neighborhood...and I make it a point to remind them that if they hadn't abandoned their own neighborhoods, they wouldn't be sitting in a strip mall bitching about it.

[AsYouWere]

If Philly exiles are so frickin' happy to be outta here, why come on this board. I moved from Jersey in '04 and wouldn't be the least bit interested in reading or participating in a South Jersey message board.

This from an admitted Jersite who drives a VW of all things, a master of judgement. I had a VW I bought new but would never admit it online.

[AsYouWere]

Similarly, on Monday I saw a Philly cop car working in Montgomery County. I don't see county police in Philly;

The Philly cop thought he was in Philly which is good enough for me, shows intention and dedication despite 10 miles from his jurisdiction.

[NickleDimer]

The city is gettin' crappy.

Agreed. EVERYWHERE is getting crappy. Specifically the place where the person posting does not live at the time.


People that move because of what they see on the news are foolish. The nightly news is 15 minutes of fear mongering, 8 minutes of commercials, 4 minutes of weather, 3 minutes of sports and then a positive story if there's still time.

[Oladybug]

Maybe having friends and relatives stuck back in the City? Ya think??

I'm sure she cut ties with everyone she ever knew in Jersey.

I have lots of friends who choose to live in NJ that I still care about and love but not to the extent that I would participate in a message board about the politics and quality of life and goings-on in NJ. But if I actually were concerned enough to read Jersey message boards, I would certainly not gloat and talk about how much better life is where I choose to live; that's the height of douchebaggery.

This from an admitted Jersite who drives a VW of all things, a master of judgement. I had a VW I bought new but would never admit it online.

Am not a Jerseyite; was born and raised in Ohio. Furthermore, I don't see what my love of VW Beetles has to do w/this discussion. Who's the one judging here.

[Volanova]

Agreed. EVERYWHERE is getting crappy. Specifically the place where the person posting does not live at the time.

I know! It's so odd how that works.

[AsYouWere]

I would certainly not gloat and talk about how much better life is where I choose to live; that's the height of douchebaggery

Agree with you on that and fail to see what the op's point is other than to stir up regional discord. I did have some problems with that VW way before it's time even though I loved it overall.

[Gio7707]

The Philly cop thought he was in Philly which is good enough for me, shows intention and dedication despite 10 miles from his jurisdiction.

you know drug dealers usually reside out in the burbs right ?? remember the case with the crazy drugdealer in Yeadon ?? maybe thats why you see the ppd out there ??

[Brenda]

I have to say that the constant things happening around my neighborhood are really starting to scare me. The crime that the OP described of the woman who was shot while sleeping happened literally just around the corner from me (I'm in Northwood). Two summers ago, while I had just stepped out of my house some guy that the police was chasing jumped the fence into my yard. I had just left my yard with both of my kids. I'm creeped out about the thought of what could have happened if I was still there at that moment with my kids and my house opened while this guy was desperately trying to get away from the cops. Too many occurrences too close to home. Some may argue that the burbs are no safer, but I know that the chances of something like this happening in many of the "boring burbs" are waaay less than living here, and I'm starting to like those odds.