Is your stance on gay marriage in line with whatever faith you practice?

**toxigal** · 07-16-2012, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by FKD19124

paying for them is. It was ruled an error during the council of Trent back in the 1500s.

no, you cannot directly pay for one. but charitable donations can help you get one. I wonder if you get special consideration if the charitable donation goes to Catholic Charities.

**FKD19124** · 07-17-2012, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by toxigal

no, you cannot directly pay for one. but charitable donations can help you get one. I wonder if you get special consideration if the charitable donation goes to Catholic Charities.

no.

**toxigal** · 07-17-2012, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by FKD19124

no.

oh, i bet it does. I'm also guessing that a charitable donation to Planned Parenthood will not be at all helpful in obtaining an indulgence!

**FKD19124** · 07-17-2012, 11:59 AM

you show me Catholic Church Doctrine that says charitable donations for indulgences speed up the process to heaven.
and that is required to pay a charity for one.

Originally Posted by toxigal

oh, i bet it does. I'm also guessing that a charitable donation to Planned Parenthood will not be at all helpful in obtaining an indulgence!

**toxigal** · 07-17-2012, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by FKD19124

you show me Catholic Church Doctrine that says charitable donations for indulgences speed up the process to heaven.
and that is required to pay a charity for one.

Page 28 of the Manual of Indulgences (2006) "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, led by the spirit of faith, give compassionately of themselves or of their goods to service their brother's in need".

The reference in the manual of indulgences is Cf. SPA, Indulgentiae apostolicae, June 27, 1963 (AAS 55[1963] 657-659); EI 1968 and 1986, gen. conc. II.

**Zep** · 07-17-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by toxigal

Page 28 of the Manual of Indulgences (2006) "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, led by the spirit of faith, give compassionately of themselves or of their goods to service their brother's in need".

The reference in the manual of indulgences is Cf. SPA, Indulgentiae apostolicae, June 27, 1963 (AAS 55[1963] 657-659); EI 1968 and 1986, gen. conc. II.

Get ready for an epic display of fingersintheears-ness.

**seand** · 07-17-2012, 01:31 PM

**mixiboi** · 07-17-2012, 01:37 PM

I feel like I just stepped into Facebook, how much do I need to put down for that farm?

**seand** · 07-17-2012, 01:41 PM

I just think the whole idea of "indulgences" is innately funny. I'm not taking sides on finer points of liturgy I don't know.

**Zep** · 07-17-2012, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by seand

**FKD19124** · 07-17-2012, 01:53 PM

thats different from saying paying out of your pocket for an indulgence so you can get to heaven.

Originally Posted by toxigal

Page 28 of the Manual of Indulgences (2006) "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, led by the spirit of faith, give compassionately of themselves or of their goods to service their brother's in need".

The reference in the manual of indulgences is Cf. SPA, Indulgentiae apostolicae, June 27, 1963 (AAS 55[1963] 657-659); EI 1968 and 1986, gen. conc. II.

**toxigal** · 07-17-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by FKD19124

thats different from saying paying out of your pocket for an indulgence so you can get to heaven.

good thing i never said that then!

**FKD19124** · 07-17-2012, 02:37 PM

there are those who still think it though unfortunately.

Originally Posted by toxigal

good thing i never said that then!

**seand** · 07-17-2012, 03:51 PM

OK I'm confused. Whats the profound philosophical difference? Please explain the difference.

God surely judges one by your actions, not how many $ you have to spend on XYZ religious hierarchy approved charity. I'm not perceiving a substantive difference between the two.

**DCnPhilly** · 07-21-2012, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by toxigal

Page 28 of the Manual of Indulgences (2006) "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, led by the spirit of faith, give compassionately of themselves or of their goods to service their brother's in need".

The reference in the manual of indulgences is Cf. SPA, Indulgentiae apostolicae, June 27, 1963 (AAS 55[1963] 657-659); EI 1968 and 1986, gen. conc. II.

Okay, this is starting to sound like Scientology.

**loveisnoise** · 07-21-2012, 02:37 PM

I always love it when nonbelievers pull out references to show that they are smarter, when their ignorance lays in prescribing a writing from a sect of an entire religion. Most of the midwest is not catholic, and to my christian beliefs this paper is about as worthwhile as toilet paper.

Originally Posted by toxigal

Page 28 of the Manual of Indulgences (2006) "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, led by the spirit of faith, give compassionately of themselves or of their goods to service their brother's in need".

The reference in the manual of indulgences is Cf. SPA, Indulgentiae apostolicae, June 27, 1963 (AAS 55[1963] 657-659); EI 1968 and 1986, gen. conc. II.

**JoeBaker** · 07-21-2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by toxigal

A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, led by the spirit of faith, give compassionately of themselves or of their goods to service their brother's in need.

Some folks believe faith alone is enough to get to heaven, some believe it requires faith and good works.

Christ himself told us that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.

If you think about it along those lines the idea of indulgences makes complete sense.

**toxigal** · 07-21-2012, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by loveisnoise

I always love it when nonbelievers pull out references to show that they are smarter, when their ignorance lays in prescribing a writing from a sect of an entire religion. Most of the midwest is not catholic, and to my christian beliefs this paper is about as worthwhile as toilet paper.

1) to whom are you referring to when you reference a nonbeliever?

2) who is prescribing a writing from a sect to an entire religion?

FKD and i were discussing indulgences...my post is completely relevant to the that discussion.

**loveisnoise** · 07-21-2012, 10:50 PM

Are you a catholic?

Originally Posted by toxigal

1) to whom are you referring to when you reference a nonbeliever?

2) who is prescribing a writing from a sect to an entire religion?

FKD and i were discussing indulgences...my post is completely relevant to the that discussion.

**FKD19124** · 07-22-2012, 07:46 AM

Well I think if Martin Luther were suddent to wake up today and see that has become of the Lutheran Church, especially the ELCA, he would drop dead of a heart attack.

Originally Posted by loveisnoise

I always love it when nonbelievers pull out references to show that they are smarter, when their ignorance lays in prescribing a writing from a sect of an entire religion. Most of the midwest is not catholic, and to my christian beliefs this paper is about as worthwhile as toilet paper.