Creation Science is True Science

[Crazalus]

Something just popped back into my head about this Flood... supposedly, it had waters from the deep and tons of rain, all mixing in with the seas.

There's something very important about sea water... it's rather salty. This salty water was mixed with all that rain and so on, and covered the soil for a long time. (about 150 days minimum)

The Romans had a saying... "Salt the Earth". That was a description of something they used to do if they conquered somewhere but couldn't hold it... and they "salted" the soil, mixed in salt. What did it do? Well, it meant that that soil was then unable to grow (most) plants until long after, when the passage of time, and rain, "desalted" it. (and the plants that could grow in it? Useless as any kind of food...)

Now, it took many years when the Romans salted the earth for plants to be able to grow again, and even then it was stunted growth for many more years. But what does this have to do with the Flood?

Well, the Romans were only able to use what salt they had... which is much much less than what is contained in the sea, so any effect the Romans had would have been almost insignificant compared to what the Flood would have.

The result of the Flood would have been to make ALL soil on this planet incapable of growing any form of plant life that was of any use. The fact that Noah was supposed to be able to plant and grow vines the moment he left the Ark shows one thing... that there cannot have been any salt-water in the Flood.

I'll let Paul (and everyone else) digest that before I show a more serious problem with the Flood.

[Paul G. Humber]

C: You silly man... do you really think that the death of the Body equals the death of the God inside? Jesus, the flesh, did die... but Jesus, the God, did not. Indeed, the mere thought that God can die is insane.

P: Okay, aside from your second word, I can appreciate what you are saying. For example, for the believer, absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So the believer dies in a bodily sense but not the spirit. The Lords Jesus, however, experienced something far worse than mere physical death. He experienced separation from the Father when He cried, “My God, my God, why have You forsaken Me?” Separation from the Father, for Jesus, was a mystery we cannot fathom—a death. Have you taken that into consideration?

You silly man... do you really think that the death of the Body equals the death of the God inside? Jesus, the flesh, did die... but Jesus, the God, did not. Indeed, the mere thought that God can die is insane.

However, you quote from Acts and seem to think I don't believe, indeed, can't believe is I feel Jesus (as God) cannot have died. Might I remind you that, even today, people talk about things being bought through "Blood, Sweat and Tears" but it doesn't mean that someone had to die for it. It does sometimes, but not all the time. To assume that the mention of something bought through blood means someone must have died for it is in error.

Your accusation is false Paul... and I would remind you of the 9th Commandment.

We had already confirmed it was Biblical Faith... what advice would you give to the two people I mention?


And Paul... I can't think of any Christians faith that teaches God can be killed... but I can think of one person who didn't understand what I said even though I made it incredibly clear I wasn't talking about the Body, but the God inside.

[Crazalus]

C: You silly man... do you really think that the death of the Body equals the death of the God inside? Jesus, the flesh, did die... but Jesus, the God, did not. Indeed, the mere thought that God can die is insane.

P: Okay, aside from your second word, I can appreciate what you are saying. For example, for the believer, absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So the believer dies in a bodily sense but not the spirit. The Lords Jesus, however, experienced something far worse than mere physical death. He experienced separation from the Father when He cried, “My God, my God, why have You forsaken Me?” Separation from the Father, for Jesus, was a mystery we cannot fathom—a death. Have you taken that into consideration?

So, you think that Jesus (who is God) was separated from The Father (who is God) and that this is the same as death?

You only have supposition that Jesus experienced separation from Himself at that point... and as an attempt to solve the problem of your accusation, it doesn't work.


Meanwhile, what advice would you give to the two people I mentioned?

[bernie25]

whenever i need a good laugh i just come to this thread

can't imagine how people over the age of 10 can believe in fairy tales

[niloroth]

Something just popped back into my head about this Flood... supposedly, it had waters from the deep and tons of rain, all mixing in with the seas.

There's something very important about sea water... it's rather salty. This salty water was mixed with all that rain and so on, and covered the soil for a long time. (about 150 days minimum)

Nothing that lived in fresh water would have survived. None of the plant life, none of the fish, non of the single cell lifeforms that form the basis of the fresh water food chain. Humber i am sure will come up with either some magic that makes this work, or a link to some other creatard website that sources some quote mined study from the 50's.

[OldCityTans]

If god was so powerful that god could create the universe in 6 days, on a whim, by wishing it so, why did God need a complicated, confusing flood and almost 300 days to destroy it all? Why not just wish the humans dead?

[Paul G. Humber]

C: So, you think that Jesus (who is God) was separated from The Father (who is God) and that this is the same as death?

P: It is infinitely worse than death! There had never been a fracture in the Trinity from all eternity prior. We will never comprehend the horror of being separated from the Father. Jesus sweat great drops of blood in the garden—pleading for any other way. This was torture not only for Jesus, God the Son, but for the Father, too. See Rom. 8:32.

So, you think that Jesus (who is God) was separated from The Father (who is God) and that this is the same as death?

You only have supposition that Jesus experienced separation from Himself at that point... and as an attempt to solve the problem of your accusation, it doesn't work.


Meanwhile, what advice would you give to the two people I mentioned?

[niloroth]

C: So, you think that Jesus (who is God) was separated from The Father (who is God) and that this is the same as death?

P: It is infinitely worse than death! There had never been a fracture in the Trinity from all eternity prior. We will never comprehend the horror of being separated from the Father. Jesus sweat great drops of blood in the garden—pleading for any other way. This was torture not only for Jesus, God the Son, but for the Father, too. See Rom. 8:32.

And once again, humber ignores the science issues and pounces on the theological ones. And poorly at that.

[Digthepast]

Pure torture.

Yes Paul, it's torture for US!

Please keep this garbage in your other thread, where it belongs.

C: So, you think that Jesus (who is God) was separated from The Father (who is God) and that this is the same as death?

P: It is infinitely worse than death! There had never been a fracture in the Trinity from all eternity prior. We will never comprehend the horror of being separated from the Father. Jesus sweat great drops of blood in the garden—pleading for any other way. This was torture not only for Jesus, God the Son, but for the Father, too. See Rom. 8:32.

[Paul G. Humber]

Dr. Tas Walker sent this to me today, Mon, February 8, 2010 2:01:05 PM.

Thousands of dinosaur footprints found in China by Dr. Tas Walker. Walker has a first class honors degree majoring in geology (earth science) as well as a first class honors degree in Mechanical Engineering. He has published extensively on biblical geology and other subjects. He earned his doctorate in mechani¬cal engineering from the University of Queensland (Australia ) and worked for over twenty years in electric power station design and operation, as well as the geological assessment of coal deposits. A respect¬ed geologist, Dr. Walker has visited many modern coal mines and was in¬volved in geological as¬sessments of mining plans.

This article is found at http://biblicalgeology.net/blog/archives/293:

I saw this recent BBC report about scientists from China finding 3,000 dinosaur footprints in the Zhucheng area of eastern Shandong province.

I always enjoy these reports because they are describing evidence of Noah’s Flood but don’t realize it.

One puzzling feature is that the dinosaurs were running the same way. Why were they doing that?
The scientists from China suggest the footprints “could represent a migration or a panicked attempt to escape predators.”

A migration? I wonder why they ran through all that soft mud. I wonder if their papers were in order.

Fleeing predators? Panicked? Just note this: the scientists have identified six types of dinosaurs, including tyrannosaurs, coelurosaurs and hadrosaurs. And they are suggesting that all these animals are so frightened of predators that they are all fleeing in panic?

Some of the footprints were nearly a metre long. I wonder how big the predators were. Are they telling us that, for all its size, Tyrannosaurus was a wimp? That would make a good angle for a science paper.

Footprints are a key classification criteria that help us work out when rocks formed in biblical history.

The sediments are thick so a lot of material was brought in quickly and spread over a large area. The mud was still soft so it was deposited not long before but quickly hardened preserving the prints, which were soon covered by more sediment.

So it’s easy to understand why the dinosaurs panicked. They were fleeing the rising waters of Noah’s Flood. Footprints mean the animals were alive, so the waters were still rising and had not yet covered the whole earth and destroyed all air-breathing animal life (Genesis 7:19–23).

Lots of dinosaurs perished in the area, as evidenced by dinosaur fossils being found at some 30 sites around Zhucheng—so many that it has been called “dinosaur city”. But it really should be called “dinosaur graveyard”.

The animals fossilized because they were buried quickly, another sign of the magnitude of the Flood disaster. And evidence that the 100 million years mentioned in the article are imaginary. The sediments were deposited rapidly so the eons of time did not exist.

Scientists and journalists present this sort of evidence within their personal philosophy of evolution over millions of years. It’s a belief system about the past that they simply assume without question because that is what they have been told. But when you understand the true history of the world as recorded in the Bible, you can see what is really going on with these animals. And you can enjoy the funny side of the hilarious explanations that the media passes onto its readers.

But the footprints also open a graphic window where we can see something of the terror and devastation connected with Noah’s Flood—very sobering.

[OldCityTans]

I don't get how footprints in hard sediment is evidence of a flood, of massive water? And how do huge dinosaurs fossilize quickly in water? Wouldn't they have to be buried in something very dry in order to fossilize quickly?

I'm also not sure why we should care what someone who is an expert in power stations & coal mines says about fossils.

[niloroth]

Dr. Tas Walker sent this to me today, Mon, February 8, 2010 2:01:05 PM.

What, another creatard website that bends science against all logic to fit a fairy tale view of the world? Unpossible!

But seriously, predators following the animals they prey on? Who would have guessed? Oh yeah, thats right, people who actually use their brains to analyze evidence. Tell me, is this area a flat land? Do the tracks lead towards higher ground, as they should if there was a flood approaching? Where are the fossils of the animals that would have been overtaken by the flood?

I expect you will answer none of this, since it would require you doing actual thinking, and we know how much you suck at the from your previous failed but laughable attempts.

[OldCityTans]

A quick google search shows these footprints were in "at least three layers" which suggests migration, not a predator or a flood.

[Digthepast]

More creatard bull$h!t...

I mean look at it...

I saw this recent BBC report about scientists from China finding 3,000 dinosaur footprints in the Zhucheng area of eastern Shandong province.

I always enjoy these reports because they are describing evidence of Noah’s Flood but don’t realize it.

I always enjoy these creatard "reports," because you get to see some clown who didn't find a god-damned thing spout off about what it all means, though he knows F-all about it!

I'll wait until there's something worth replying to.

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[Digthepast]

LOL!

Darwinists Strike Again With T-Rex Eating Ichthus Fish Eating Darwin Fish Emblem

[Crazalus]

C: So, you think that Jesus (who is God) was separated from The Father (who is God) and that this is the same as death?

P: It is infinitely worse than death! There had never been a fracture in the Trinity from all eternity prior. We will never comprehend the horror of being separated from the Father. Jesus sweat great drops of blood in the garden—pleading for any other way. This was torture not only for Jesus, God the Son, but for the Father, too. See Rom. 8:32.

So, Jesus didn't die... he suffered something completely different to death. (and just how can you be separated from something that is Omnipresent?)

Of course, since Jesus is God, (and thus all-knowing) He knew there was no other way, that what was happening was God's Will... and he knew that pleading for any other way to do what needed to be done was useless.

A good question at this point... just what evidence do you have that there was this separation? You use the whole "why hast thou forsaken me?" bit to argue that... but it can also be argued (and has, by the way) that it was simply the Human Form of Jesus that was unable to accept what was happening and, for a moment, was what was in "charge".


And, since you seem unable to answer this... what advice would you give to the two people I mentioned?

[Paul G. Humber]

Go to the other thread--dealing with Jesus. I plan to answer your question there--in a few minutes. This one is for creation science.

So, Jesus didn't die... he suffered something completely different to death. (and just how can you be separated from something that is Omnipresent?)

Of course, since Jesus is God, (and thus all-knowing) He knew there was no other way, that what was happening was God's Will... and he knew that pleading for any other way to do what needed to be done was useless.

A good question at this point... just what evidence do you have that there was this separation? You use the whole "why hast thou forsaken me?" bit to argue that... but it can also be argued (and has, by the way) that it was simply the Human Form of Jesus that was unable to accept what was happening and, for a moment, was what was in "charge".


And, since you seem unable to answer this... what advice would you give to the two people I mentioned?

[OldCityTans]

Go to the other thread... This one is for creation science.

It is??? Why haven't you posted any?? Is there even one post showing scientific evidence that God wished creation into being??

Maybe I missed it...

[Digthepast]

It's not there. There is no evidence in any thread on this forum of scientific evidence for creationism. None.

There's a lot of evidence of the creationist false dichotomy. There's also no shortage of assertions that this or that is the case. Now I know that to a creationist, an assertion is as good as scientific proof, but in the real world, that's not how it works.

If these were all assertions based on the Bible, that would be one thing. But what we find are distortions of the contents and conclusions of legitimate scientific research. Most of it comes from self-styled "scientists" who are either unqualified or are too lazy to get the grants and do the actual research that they're writing about.

Worst is when Paul goes off the reservation and starts trying to do his own thinking. The results are hilarious and easily refuted, though, and they do how foolish creationism can be.

So no, OCT, you haven't missed a thing. It's just not there...

It is??? Why haven't you posted any?? Is there even one post showing scientific evidence that God wished creation into being??

Maybe I missed it...

[Paul G. Humber]

Dr. Loren Eiseley was an evolutionary biologist who eventually became the Benjamin Franklin Professor of Anthropology and the History of Science at the University of Pennsylvania. His book, All The Strange Hours, is autobiographical and was published in 1975.

In the book, he recounted an experience he had had with an associate, Frank Speck. They were “strolling in the Philadelphia Zoo” … and “came upon a wood duck paddling quietly in a little pond.” His associate, impressed apparently by these “most beautifully patterned” birds, asked, “Loren, tell me honestly. Do you believe unaided natural selection produced that pattern? Do you believe it has that much significance to the bird's survival?"

In the book, Dr. Eiseley confessed that he too, at that moment, had had a similar questioning thought. Finally, he admitted in response: "I have always had a doubt every time I came out of a laboratory, even every time I have had occasion to look inside a dead human being on a slab. I don't doubt that duck was once something else, just as you and I have sprung from something older and more primitive.… It isn't that which troubles me. It’s the method, the way. Sometimes it seems very clear, and I satisfy myself in modern genetic terms. Then, as perhaps with your duck, something seems to go out of focus, as though we are trying too hard, trying, it would seem, to believe the unbelievable."

Could it be that the going “out of focus” that Dr. Eiseley referred to came from his Maker? Was the Lord in love reminding Dr. Eiseley of his own creatureliness? Sadly, it seems Dr. Eiseley did not go far with this nudge, for he continued: "I am an evolutionist. I believe my great backyard Sphexes [wasps] have evolved like other creatures. But watching them in the October light as one circles my head in curiosity, I can only repeat my dictum softly: in the world there is nothing, to explain the world. Nothing to explain the necessity of life, nothing to explain the hunger of the elements to become life, nothing to explain why the stolid realm of rock and soil and mineral should diversify itself into beauty, terror, and uncertainty."

Dr. Eiseley was wrong because there is Something in the world that explains these mysteries--a divine book. Also, exactly where did Dr. Eiseley get his “dictum” of denial? Does science give dictums?