The pope and the pedophiles

[cugat]

The first time I heard this was from Bill Donohue, the guy from the Catholic League, who said the priests were not pedophiles because the most of the boys weren't pre-pubescent. He's a real POS.

[devilspocket]

If you don't want to call it pedophilia (which it is), then call it rape. These were situations where an adult who was in a position of a power over a child (pre- or post-pubescent) took advantage of that child sexually, and that is rape.

[xxxTHX1138xxx]

some misguided hatred of teh gheys, then you may have some serious issues you need professional help with.

typical unfounded knee jerk reaction.

[cugat]

If you don't want to call it pedophilia (which it is), then call it rape. These were situations where an adult who was in a position of a power over a child (pre- or post-pubescent) took advantage of that child sexually, and that is rape.[/B]

I'm good with calling it pedophilia or child rape or anything similar. Tell Bill Donohue, or the other dickweed who is saying "it's the libruls and the gays."

[niloroth]

typical unfounded knee jerk reaction.

way to address the fact that your own source countered your claim. As an attempt at deflection, i give you a 6 out of 10.

[amberstreet]

The other think I find interesting from the liberal media and the liberal left as a whole is that the majority of the boys molested were post-pubescent. The priests were going after teen males for sex. Why not altar girls? Gee...because they are gay.


Homosexuality and Pedophilia


Also -

The 2002 definitive John Jay study exhaustively documents the sex abuse scandal by priests in the Catholic Church in America. This is Exhibit 1 in support of Cardinal Bertone’s candid statement that “homosexuality is a pathology which is linked directly to sexual abuse of children”, and specifically is the primary cause of the sex abuse scandal in the Church by gay priests abusing young boys. Only truly ignorant deniers can profess that a gay priest abusing young boys has nothing to do with homosexuality?! Excerpts from the Executive Summary of the John Jay report:

* The majority of priests with allegations of abuse were ordained between 1950 and 1979 (68%). Priests ordained prior to 1950 accounted for 21.3% of the allegations, and priests ordained after 1979 accounted for 10.7% of allegations.

*Over 79% of these priests were between 25 and 29 years of age when ordained. For priests whose age at the time of the first alleged abuse was reported, the largest group—over 40% was between 30 and 39. An additional 20% were under age 30, nearly 23% were between 40 and 49, and nearly 17% were over 50.

*The majority of priests (56%) were alleged to have abused one victim, nearly 27% were alleged to have abused two or three victims, nearly 14% were alleged to have abused four to nine victims and 3.4% were alleged to have abused more than ten victims. The 149 priests (3.5%) who had more than ten allegations of abuse were allegedly responsible for abusing 2,960 victims, thus accounting for 26% of allegations. Therefore, a very small percentage of accused priests are responsible for a substantial percentage of the allegations.

*The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7. Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.

*In the 51% of cases where information was provided, half of the victims who made allegations of sexual abuse (2,638, or 25.7% of all alleged victims) socialized with the priest outside of church. Of those who did socialize with the priests who allegedly abused them, the majority had interactions in the family’s home. Other places of socialization included in the church, in the residence of the priest, and in various church activities.

I feel sorry for you.. may life heal you of your hate. love is not working

[xanthus]

typical unfounded knee jerk reaction.

You've taken a reasonable discussion about child molesting-priests and the Catholic Church's mostly successful attempts to cover up that scandal until 2002 and turned into sporadic diatribes against homosexuals, liberals and health care.

[xxxTHX1138xxx]

You've taken a reasonable discussion about child molesting-priests and the Catholic Church's mostly successful attempts to cover up that scandal until 2002 and turned into sporadic diatribes against homosexuals, liberals and health care.

well liberals will do anything to protect their sacred cow, the homosexuals.
the Catholic faith does not endorse child molestation and I dare you to show me any dogma of the church that states it.

Again - the liberals in the church, Bishops and priests alike, especially the faggot ex archbishop Weakland are the ones who thumbed their noses at Rome and allowed these vermin into the seminaries. Are you going to deny ex archbishop Weakland was gay? he even admitted to it and to having affairs with young men.

Where did Pope Benedict EVER say he endorsed this? Do you not think over organizations cover this up?

[NE19149]

How come there isn't any discussion here about other faiths, and their sexual perversions?

Episcopalians?
Presbyterians?
Hebrews?
Baptists?
Even.. (shudder)..... Atheists!
and on and on.....

Come on now, two cents will tell you it isn't JUST the Catholics that do these seedy things.

Pervs are all around...

Married men even, carrying on with another dude on the side... (don't tell my wife, I was drunk)

[lucy van pelt]

the liberals in the church, Bishops and priests alike, especially the faggot ex archbishop Weakland are the ones who thumbed their noses at Rome and allowed these vermin into the seminaries.

Thumbed their noses at Rome? Um, the Catholic Church as a whole - all the way up the chain of command to the tippy top in the Vatican - hid the fact that some priests were abusing children. Instead of calling the police on these pedophiles or at least defrocking them, they shuffled them around to other parishes where the priests went on to abuse more children.

the Catholic faith does not endorse child molestation and I dare you to show me any dogma of the church that states it.

You're 100% correct; the Catholic faith does not endorse abuse. No one is saying it was endorsed. It was ignored or it was hidden, all to protect the Church at the expensive of children. And whether or not you personally believe that this was a "homosexual" problem is irrelevant - the victims were underage as you clearly pointed out -

The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7. Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.

And yes, clearly there are pedophiles in all walks of life - among Jews, Methodists, atheists, whatever. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it's coming to light that the Pope himself had something to do with hiding abuse and protecting the abusers. "But other people do it too!" is not a good argument.

[Litter Box]

The way I see it is the Catholic Church condoned child rape by doing little about it and allowing the same priests to continue in a different Parrish. Actions speak louder than words, that's the effects test.

[jazzcat]

From what I understand, the ratio of abuse within the Catholic Church is no different than any other religion.

If you read the NY papers, you will see stories come to light about Rabbis, Ministers, etc.

The difference is that the abuse in other faiths is that is not overwhelmingly same sex.

In my humble opinion, there was a.period where the Catholic Church was a safe haven for gay men, or those who struggled with their sexuality, with the idea that vows of celibacy would make everything okay.

I do not condone how the church has handled this......but I have witnessed many obvious gay priests comfort and minister their congregation as well....

[Litter Box]

From what I understand, the ratio of abuse within the Catholic Church is no different than any other religion..

The Catholic Church has a central authority that denied requests to have priests defrocked. That makes it somewhat unique. The CC is much more organized than most other churches. The CC seems to put the wellbeing of it's priests over that of the children. The repeated cover up just magnifies the crime.

[xanthus]

The way I see it is the Catholic Church condoned child rape by doing little about it and allowing the same priests to continue in a different Parrish. Actions speak louder than words, that's the effects test.

Well put. But what speaks louder than action is money, which I why I stated earlier in this blog that nobody should be giving the Catholic Church any cash.

As to other comments about the pervs in other faiths, I agree. There are pervs in all faiths and all walks of life. Although, I believe they are criminals, their existence doesn't shock me any more than the existence of any other criminals. They're part of the world we live in and we have to deal with them.

What is appalling is that a gigantic worldwide organization like the Catholic Church chose not to deal with them other than shuffling them around to try to avoid scandal and, most important, to make sure money kept flowing into collection baskets. This shameless behavior has to be blamed on the church hierarchy. Pervs probably can't help what they are. That doesn't forgive them and it doesn't mean we shouldn't be protected from them. The church didn't protect its children from its own child molesting clergy. There is no forgiveness for that inaction.

[jazzcat]

The Catholic Church has a central authority that denied requests to have priests defrocked. That makes it somewhat unique. The CC is much more organized than most other churches. The CC seems to put the wellbeing of it's priests over that of the children. The repeated cover up just magnifies the crime.

So Jews, Protestants, Muslims have no "central authority"?

Again, I do not condone the actions, but the "CC" is not alone in this.
For a faith that preaches "forgiveness"?

Besides, blaming the Pope smacks of "PAPISTS"....and I thought that concept was archaic..

[Litter Box]

So Jews, Protestants, Muslims have no "central authority"?

Again, I do not condone the actions, but the "CC" is not alone in this.
For a faith that preaches "forgiveness"?

Besides, blaming the Pope smacks of "PAPISTS"....and I thought that concept was archaic..

The CC is in effect a government with a chain of command. Who is the Jewish equivalent of the Pope ? Other sects are much more independent. Rome pretty much rules with an iron fist.

[marchi]

Is there any other organisation that gives leaders little boys (alter boys) who are told to do "whatever Father tells them"? It's only recently they started getting little girls.

[niloroth]

well liberals will do anything to protect their sacred cow, the homosexuals.

No, right now they are trying to protect kids. I guess you don't like that?

the Catholic faith does not endorse child molestation and I dare you to show me any dogma of the church that states it.

No, but it's actions condoned it, and continue to even now while they hid their records about these monsters, and simply shuffel them off to 3rd world countries.

Again - the liberals in the church, Bishops and priests alike, especially the faggot ex archbishop Weakland are the ones who thumbed their noses at Rome and allowed these vermin into the seminaries. Are you going to deny ex archbishop Weakland was gay? he even admitted to it and to having affairs with young men.

Wait, so one person is responsable for every single pediphile in the catholic church? For some reason, i am thinking that there is a serious flaw in your theory.

Where did Pope Benedict EVER say he endorsed this? Do you not think over organizations cover this up?

As i said, he didn't endorse it, he condoned it. Two different words, neither reflect well on the pope or the church. End result, once he was aware that even one person under his watch was abusing children, he should have acted. He chose not to, as such, he condoned it.

I am really kinda worried about you and your insane fear of the 'homosexual agenda'.

Would you like a doll to use to show everyone where the homosexual agenda hurt you?

[lucy van pelt]

Besides, blaming the Pope smacks of "PAPISTS"....and I thought that concept was archaic..

The Pope is getting blamed because it's becoming quite obvious that he was very much involved in the cover-up before he was even elected Pope, under John Paul. Sure, oftentimes the leaders get the de facto blame simply because they're the leaders. But that's not the case with Benedict.

[cugat]

There's a documentary called "Deliver Us From Evil" about an Irish priest in California who molested some horrible number of kids, and the church knew about the complaints. He was shuffled from one parish to another by the bishop before he was eventually put in jail and then deported back to Ireland. It's clear just from this one case that the church is more interested in protecting its reputation than in keeping these guys away from kids.

If I remember correctly, all the children were girls. There's probably a liberal-homosexual agenda in there too, but it's been a couple of years since I've seen it.