Big Belly Fail

[annie]

Did SOSNA buy these for the city? How did you pay for them upfront?

So Close to Gettng Two More Big Belly Trashcans...

[raider.adam]

Couldn't they just adjust when they go "red" to force workers to be more preemptive?

Or they could use the system where the big belly wirelessly notifies Streets that it is filling up.

I meant the up front cost to us citizens of Graduate Hospital. We had to pay for them out of pocket.

Help me out here people. The point was not wire baskets vs Big Belly's. They both don't work for all of the reasons already written about ad nauseum.

How about Plan C

What is Plan C?

[palvar]

I don't get the need for trash cans when there are sewers at every corner. When I'm done with my potato chips and bottled watter, I just stuff it down the sewer. It gets picked up in the water purification process. Even better, the City recycles the plastic. So it's a win-win all around.

This is amazing. Thank you Torts.

[bp_]

This is amazing. Thank you Torts.

Agreed. Hilarious. It also reminds my of the homeless dude I saw stuffing clothes in the gutter outside the dry cleaners on south street the other morning.

On another note, this thread is heading down the path of the last big belly thread. Why not dig that one up for fun too.

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[2happy4u]

It just hit me the other day when I saw a crew washing one out on Broad st. This has to be a huge waste of tax dollars. Besides the millions spent on the "GREEN" trash cans, how much for the big water tanker, operation and the crew? This city lacks common sense.

[Mustard]

Or they could use the system where the big belly wirelessly notifies Streets that it is filling up.



What is Plan C?

Alternate idea I've floated with some folks on the block. Raise some money or create a cleaning fund (everyone who is willing chips in 10 dollars a month) to simply pay someone to sweep up the block twice a month. I timed myself doing it street to street on a really messy day and it's never more than 2 hours. That's only 100 dollars a month in man hours. We figure it will only take 10 households to buy in at the price of a couple latte's, one person to organize it and we could have a clean block. You get one person to donate space in their trash can to toss the picked garbage in.

We tried the PSA approach but the sad truth is there are just too many hood rats and riff raff still in the mix to go with the "everyone clean your area and tie up are your garbage" thing.

Seems like a very simple, cost effective solution that perhaps could be expanded if it was kept really simple. I know the Center City District has basically the same thing, although far more complex. This idea would be an off the books, donate what you want, version.

[Gladys]

I meant the up front cost to us citizens of Graduate Hospital. We had to pay for them out of pocket.

Help me out here people. The point was not wire baskets vs Big Belly's. They both don't work for all of the reasons already written about ad nauseum.

How about Plan C

a police state

[loveisnoise]

Seems like a very simple, cost effective solution that perhaps could be expanded if it was kept really simple. I know the Center City District has basically the same thing, although far more complex. This idea would be an off the books, donate what you want, version.

Yeah, that's not gonna work.

Say the person or persons get hurt. They sue. Who are they going to sue? All of you. I've seen it and it has happened.

A 501c3 would need to be developed, which would result in yet another neighborhood group that would eventually want to rule zoning, and the world. F' that noise.

[the mule]

You're all missing the clear correlation here, we need to get rid of ALL trash cans on the street. Having a place to throw trash just gives people the incentive to produce trash.

Whenever I have the misfortune of going to the suburbs I notice how clean it is there, and I finally realized it's because public trashcans are nowhere to be found. Nobody bothers making trash on the street because they don't know what to do with it.

[Gladys]

You're all missing the clear correlation here, we need to get rid of ALL trash cans on the street. Having a place to throw trash just gives people the incentive to produce trash.

Whenever I have the misfortune of going to the suburbs I notice how clean it is there, and I finally realized it's because public trashcans are nowhere to be found. Nobody bothers making trash on the street because they don't know what to do with it.

not sure where you are going but not all burbs are clean. people throw trash out of their cars.

would help to have two trash days a week, like most suburbs do.

[Lolly]

You're all missing the clear correlation here, we need to get rid of ALL trash cans on the street. Having a place to throw trash just gives people the incentive to produce trash.

There is a certain amount of truth to this, and is the reason that many many wire mesh trash receptacles were removed all over the City some time ago.

Trash cans can definitely be magnets for idiots. My favorite story is something just discovered at Julian Abele Park. Don't you know, now that the construction fence is up, folks are apparently tossing their dog poop bags over the fence, trying (most often unsuccessfully) to land them in the trash cans. Now that’s class.

Don't you wish sometimes there were hidden cameras or sensors or something that could recognize stupidity and have a robot arm that comes out to just SLAP people when they behave this way?

[raider.adam]

You're all missing the clear correlation here, we need to get rid of ALL trash cans on the street. Having a place to throw trash just gives people the incentive to produce trash.

Whenever I have the misfortune of going to the suburbs I notice how clean it is there, and I finally realized it's because public trashcans are nowhere to be found. Nobody bothers making trash on the street because they don't know what to do with it.

There is a certain amount of truth to this, and is the reason that many many wire mesh trash receptacles were removed all over the City some time ago.

Trash cans can definitely be magnets for idiots. My favorite story is something just discovered at Julian Abele Park. Don't you know, now that the construction fence is up, folks are apparently tossing their dog poop bags over the fence, trying (most often unsuccessfully) to land them in the trash cans. Now that’s class.

Don't you wish sometimes there were hidden cameras or sensors or something that could recognize stupidity and have a robot arm that comes out to just SLAP people when they behave this way?

Or maybe it is people aren't walking from place to place and instead are driving, so don't need street trash cans.

So if you get rid of all street trash cans in Philadelphia, what do I do with the bag, foil and bottle I get from the street vendor when I buy a hot sausage and cherry coke?

[loveisnoise]

Or maybe it is people aren't walking from place to place and instead are driving, so don't need street trash cans.

So if you get rid of all street trash cans in Philadelphia, what do I do with the bag, foil and bottle I get from the street vendor when I buy a hot sausage and cherry coke?

Well, since street vendors are required to have trashcans, put it where it belongs.

[raider.adam]

Well, since street vendors are required to have trashcans, put it where it belongs.

So I have to stand outside the vendor when I eat? I am not allowed to eat while walking to my destination? Or go to a park space?

[seand]

Its simple. We just ban people from eating in Philadelphia.

Would cause a lot of starvation and inconvenience but on the bright side, no trash!

[loveisnoise]

So I have to stand outside the vendor when I eat? I am not allowed to eat while walking to my destination? Or go to a park space?

Your whing of first world problems is priceless. Oh oh! I got it! We should also set up condiment bars and napkin dispensers throughout the city just in case you wish to multitask during your hot beef injections!

Parks have trash cans. Commercial areas have trash cans. Vendors and takeout stores have trash cans. Residential area cans are not needed and are abused.

[Lolly]

People are pigs.

[raider.adam]

Your whing of first world problems is priceless. Oh oh! I got it! We should also set up condiment bars and napkin dispensers throughout the city just in case you wish to multitask during your hot beef injections!

Parks have trash cans. Commercial areas have trash cans. Vendors and takeout stores have trash cans. Residential area cans are not needed and are abused.

Instead of arguing just to argue, read the conversation. The response was to the mule saying to get rid of ALL trash cans.

[thoth]

There's not going to be a "trash-free" solution, but did anyone else notice that the article actually says that Big Bellies, in spite of there faults, were more effective than wire baskets, which had to be systematically removed?

You want (relatively) clean neighborhoods? Philadelphia needs to do what virtually every other major city does and pay for regular street sweeping, like we used to. Big Bellies at least prevent significant overloading, and regular street cleaning makes up for at lot of the slobs out there. I think finding some kind of funding source to bolster street cleaning is a lot more likely to happen than wishing that Philly's army of litter bugs will ever mend their ways.

[raider.adam]

There's not going to be a "trash-free" solution, but did anyone else notice that the article actually says that Big Bellies, in spite of there faults, were more effective than wire baskets, which had to be systematically removed?

You want (relatively) clean neighborhoods? Philadelphia needs to do what virtually every other major city does and pay for regular street sweeping, like we used to. Big Bellies at least prevent significant overloading, and regular street cleaning makes up for at lot of the slobs out there. I think finding some kind of funding source to bolster street cleaning is a lot more likely to happen than wishing that Philly's army of litter bugs will ever mend their ways.

It needs to be a mix of public sanitation with some level of litter enforcement so that people do at least understand it is wrong.