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    Default Brothel busted on 6th and 7th street

    Feds break up South Philly brothel ring | Philadelphia Daily News | 01/11/2010

    I lived across the street from one of the brothels and had no idea....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kday View Post
    Feds break up South Philly brothel ring | Philadelphia Daily News | 01/11/2010

    I lived across the street from one of the brothels and had no idea....
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    The was a whore house on 7th btwn Wharton and Latona for years it was there 40yrs ago and stayed open into the 90s. These are new operators in a different building.
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    This is another thing that should be made legal. Licence, regulate and tax it. Are we winning the war against prostitution ? How much time and money was spent on this when the same manpower could have been spent on real crime ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kday View Post
    Feds break up South Philly brothel ring | Philadelphia Daily News | 01/11/2010

    I lived across the street from one of the brothels and had no idea....
    And I live around the corner from you !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litter Box View Post
    This is another thing that should be made legal. Licence, regulate and tax it. Are we winning the war against prostitution ? How much time and money was spent on this when the same manpower could have been spent on real crime ?
    Agreed , I still don't want it on my street though .
    "Cripple Tax"? Mayfair Meat., for the second time, I must tell you,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jedi mind fart View Post
    Agreed , I still don't want it on my street though .
    If it was made legal they would be in an area that is properly zoned for the business, as it is now they set up anywhere. Legal = win win
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    Quote Originally Posted by jedi mind fart View Post
    And I live around the corner from you !
    This reply of yours caused me to look at your location ("Big Mels gayborhodd ..missing Big Mel") and gave me a good chuckle this morning. Too funny!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Litter Box View Post
    This is another thing that should be made legal. Licence, regulate and tax it. Are we winning the war against prostitution ? How much time and money was spent on this when the same manpower could have been spent on real crime ?
    100% agreed, + it would cut down on the trafficking of women. + the women who "choose" to go into this profession would be treated much better. + less disease. + govt would make $.

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    OK. I'm going to need the exact address so that I can properly comment on this. I'll report back after tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramón View Post
    100% agreed, + it would cut down on the trafficking of women. + the women who "choose" to go into this profession would be treated much better. + less disease. + govt would make $.
    There are some fights that cannot be won and the sooner we recognise this the better off we will be. We should take a step or two back and first see if it's really a problem and then look for the best solution. Here's a quote from Bill Hicks about the war on drugs,

    I loved when Bush came out and said, "We are losing the war against drugs." You know what that implies? There's a war being fought, and the people on drugs are winning it.

    I think that was a quote from Bush #41 about 1989. We've fought prostitution forever and unless it is made legal we will continue to fight it forever at the expense of fighting violent crime.

    Your point about the women is dead on and is just one more reason to make it legal. The reason people do not notice a brothel in their neighborhood is when the customer is finished he wants to get out of the area as soon as possible to avoid being spotted by someone he knows. The same thing applies to X rated movie houses and book stores. People who frequent these businesses do not want to draw attention to themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveisnoise View Post
    OK. I'm going to need the exact address so that I can properly comment on this. I'll report back after tonight.
    1221 s 7th st apt a and the other was 6 somethin sears st
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    So now I am standing on the corner of 4th and Shunk wit a bag of dicks.

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    The libertarian singed "legalize it" tone of this thread seems to suffer from the same binary black and white thinking they're accusing law enforcement of having. While public health issues can be better attended to, legalizing prostitution does not eliminate the problem of human trafficking associated with the sex industry. Do you really think the best example of regulated prostitution, Amsterdam's red light district, really draws women from all over the world out of their own free will?

    Sure prostitution and immigration laws should be changed so that the "real criminals" involved in human trafficking can be effectively prosecuted, but pretending the criminal organizations that almost always run large scale prostitution enterprises will just 'cede their turf to independent contractors and fair management is really looking at the issue through glasses too rose-tinted by happy hooker mythology.

    Bill Hicks is a funny guy but a pretty poor policy analysts. Does whoever through that quote out there really need to have explained to him that it's those who profit from illegal drugs that were winning the war, not the people on the drugs? You guys realize the "coffee shop" scene in Amsterdam's also pretty much dominated by organized crime and still has a pretty violent underbelly to it too, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litter Box View Post
    There are some fights that cannot be won and the sooner we recognise this the better off we will be. We should take a step or two back and first see if it's really a problem and then look for the best solution. Here's a quote from Bill Hicks about the war on drugs,

    I loved when Bush came out and said, "We are losing the war against drugs." You know what that implies? There's a war being fought, and the people on drugs are winning it.
    I totally agree...and very funny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty B. View Post
    The libertarian singed "legalize it" tone of this thread seems to suffer from the same binary black and white thinking they're accusing law enforcement of having. While public health issues can be better attended to, legalizing prostitution does not eliminate the problem of human trafficking associated with the sex industry. Do you really think the best example of regulated prostitution, Amsterdam's red light district, really draws women from all over the world out of their own free will?

    Sure prostitution and immigration laws should be changed so that the "real criminals" involved in human trafficking can be effectively prosecuted, but pretending the criminal organizations that almost always run large scale prostitution enterprises will just 'cede their turf to independent contractors and fair management is really looking at the issue through glasses too rose-tinted by happy hooker mythology.

    Bill Hicks is a funny guy but a pretty poor policy analysts. Does whoever through that quote out there really need to have explained to him that it's those who profit from illegal drugs that were winning the war, not the people on the drugs? You guys realize the "coffee shop" scene in Amsterdam's also pretty much dominated by organized crime and still has a pretty violent underbelly to it too, right?
    Where did you read these things about Amsterdam? Can you provide a link? I'd love to know more of the specifics about the coffee houses and red light district of Amsterdam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty B. View Post
    The libertarian singed "legalize it" tone of this thread seems to suffer from the same binary black and white thinking they're accusing law enforcement of having. While public health issues can be better attended to, legalizing prostitution does not eliminate the problem of human trafficking associated with the sex industry. Do you really think the best example of regulated prostitution, Amsterdam's red light district, really draws women from all over the world out of their own free will?

    Sure prostitution and immigration laws should be changed so that the "real criminals" involved in human trafficking can be effectively prosecuted, but pretending the criminal organizations that almost always run large scale prostitution enterprises will just 'cede their turf to independent contractors and fair management is really looking at the issue through glasses too rose-tinted by happy hooker mythology.

    Bill Hicks is a funny guy but a pretty poor policy analysts. Does whoever through that quote out there really need to have explained to him that it's those who profit from illegal drugs that were winning the war, not the people on the drugs? You guys realize the "coffee shop" scene in Amsterdam's also pretty much dominated by organized crime and still has a pretty violent underbelly to it too, right?
    If these industries were controlled and run by the state- rather than private contractors- in much the same way that today's casinos are overseen and regulated I don't see the traffickers and criminal organizations having much luck in continuing to reap the huge profits they see now, when drugs and prostitution are prohibited. Without a huge profit margin, where is the incentive to take the risks associated with those illegal businesses? Or the power, for that matter? Of course such a program would take years to implement, but all we risk in beginning is the continuation of the status quo, which pretty much sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutOfContext View Post
    Where did you read these things about Amsterdam? Can you provide a link? I'd love to know more of the specifics about the coffee houses and red light district of Amsterdam.
    My understanding of the coffee houses stems mostly from small talk with people I met while touring Amsterdam and Utrecht. Students, lecturers, cab drivers, bar tenders, that sort. Short version, it's pretty common knowledge that it's pretty shady behind the bright, shiny storefronts. I don't really feel like getting into a Google wang-waving contest, but relatively recent word on the Dutch government's wavering support for its permissiveness can be found here, for example:

    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/de...cannabis-crime

    To get a more honest look at the lives of international sex workers, I'd recommend this Radio Netherlands (in English) series on the Atalanta Foundation. I think it aired here in Philly a few years back during WHYY's BBC hours:

    Running with Atalanta - Radio Netherlands Worldwide - English

    I haven't listened to it in a while, but I remember the broadcaster getting a little too arty with the Atalanta framing metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sometimesilie View Post
    If these industries were controlled and run by the state- rather than private contractors- in much the same way that today's casinos are overseen and regulated I don't see the traffickers and criminal organizations having much luck in continuing to reap the huge profits they see now, when drugs and prostitution are prohibited. Without a huge profit margin, where is the incentive to take the risks associated with those illegal businesses? Or the power, for that matter? Of course such a program would take years to implement, but all we risk in beginning is the continuation of the status quo, which pretty much sucks.
    Oh yes, the casino industry is a perfect example of how drug and human trafficking should be properly done.

    There may be "demand" for a legal sex industry that extends beyond masturbatory and into actual sex acts; but, a few 'performance artist' types and BDSM explorers aside, the bulk of the sex industry "supply" comes from women with no means or resources beyond their bodies, a type very easily "managed" by a bunch of guys with guns and little compassion or interest in providing their labor force with an equitable benefits package. For those women, you think its best the state take over as pimp, or maybe I don't know divert them from that line of work into something that could result in personal and financial independence?

    As applied to drugs, there is always a market for people wanting to traffic outside the regulations. To pretend that illegal drug enterprises as they current exist will just roll over and hand their affairs to legitimate businessmen is a bit naive, ain't it?

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    Prostitution is legal.

    Grab a camera and say you are making a movie. First Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty B. View Post
    As applied to drugs, there is always a market for people wanting to traffic outside the regulations. To pretend that illegal drug enterprises as they current exist will just roll over and hand their affairs to legitimate businessmen is a bit naive, ain't it?
    You mean how all of the bootleggers are still running booze down from Canada even though prohibition is over? Yeah, the illegal importation of alcohol is still as much of a violent crime issue as it was during prohibition.

 

 

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