South Philly Safety Map

**jgakats** · 07-21-2012, 02:33 PM

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...80171,0.154324

Please share your thoughts and suggestions.

**FrankStar** · 07-21-2012, 02:41 PM

I hear the residents of St. John Neuman Place are particularly fiesty.

**BarryG** · 07-21-2012, 03:56 PM

I would extend the red fully to to 8th St, north of Snyder. The white area below Snyder there is correctly a borderline area (I assume that's what the white means) but between Snyder and Jackson is definitely safe. Why the cutout area at 9th & Snyder?

**jgakats** · 07-21-2012, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by BarryG

I would extend the red fully to to 8th St, north of Snyder. The white area below Snyder there is correctly a borderline area (I assume that's what the white means) but between Snyder and Jackson is definitely safe. Why the cutout area at 9th & Snyder?

Would you extend the red on 8th street all the way up to Tasker? The cutout at 9th & Snyder is to reflect that Snyder Ave isn't very desirable around there and feels a little seedy.

**2happy4u** · 07-21-2012, 05:26 PM

Looks like nothing changed in the past 30 years.

**OffenseTaken** · 07-21-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by jgakats

The cutout at 9th & Snyder is to reflect that Snyder Ave isn't very desirable around there and feels a little seedy.

I was gonna say that this map seems arbitrary and worthless, but that was before I knew what impeccable research went into it.

**jgakats** · 07-21-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by OffenseTaken

I was gonna say that this map seems arbitrary and worthless, but that was before I knew what impeccable research went into it.

Instead of being a jerk about it, you can add constructive criticism. I feel the map is pretty accurate about where the more desirable / less desirable areas are and where one needs to be more careful about their surroundings.

**OffenseTaken** · 07-21-2012, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by jgakats

Instead of being a jerk about it, you can add constructive criticism. I feel the map is pretty accurate about where the more desirable / less desirable areas are and where one needs to be more careful about their surroundings.

To tell you the truth I'd rather be a jerk about it, since I don't see how constructive criticism can improve this little project of yours. It shouldn't take a stranger to tell you that "feels a little seedy" is a ridiculous basis for drawing your map, and if it does, then you clearly are not qualified to inform visitors of where they are "safe" or not.

Also, have you really been working since February on this map? A reasonably intelligent person who's never been to Philadelphia could have made it in about ten minutes.

**bbeach** · 07-21-2012, 06:58 PM

What is your basis for labeling areas safe and dangerous? Take Newbold/PB for example you label almost all of it as dangerous- There certainly are "dangerous" streets in Newbold/PB and there certainly are "safe" ones. My constructive criticism is depending on who this map is geared toward this map is a little to generalized to be of use. I don't need a map to tell me GHO is generally safe, I need one to tell me which streets/area in GHO aren't generally safe and same for Newbold I need to know which ones are safe and aren't(I do know which ones are not but I am speaking about someone not familiar with the area). And with all due respect the whole safe map I always thought was pretty dumb.

**WillABro** · 07-21-2012, 09:30 PM

Is this an attempt to update this?

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=u...28374&t=h&z=12

The above map link has pretty much been hammered to death over at city-data forums. As an outsider likely moving to Philly, I wouldn't put too much faith in any of these maps.

**loveisnoise** · 07-21-2012, 09:47 PM

Ten minutes? I was thinking more like 5. And it is grossly inaccurate and with no facts used.

Originally Posted by OffenseTaken

To tell you the truth I'd rather be a jerk about it, since I don't see how constructive criticism can improve this little project of yours. It shouldn't take a stranger to tell you that "feels a little seedy" is a ridiculous basis for drawing your map, and if it does, then you clearly are not qualified to inform visitors of where they are "safe" or not.

Also, have you really been working since February on this map? A reasonably intelligent person who's never been to Philadelphia could have made it in about ten minutes.

**five apples** · 07-22-2012, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by loveisnoise

Ten minutes? I was thinking more like 5. And it is grossly inaccurate and with no facts used.

I feel like several people have posted different but more or less the exact same maps on here before. Having said this, in a very general sense, this map is more or less accurate.

**JoeBaker** · 07-22-2012, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by jgakats

Instead of being a jerk about it, you can add constructive criticism.

Ah see, in your OP you only asked for thoughts and suggestions. You should have specified constructive criticism. Then the jerks would have stayed away.

And I have nothing to add. Constructive or otherwise.

**colinmlenton** · 07-24-2012, 11:04 AM

My constructive criticism is to base this off actual crime data that reflects crimes committed on strangers just walking through. Muggings, robberies, etc. This map is useless because it basically just reflects a seemingly racist, definitely ignorant, view of South Philly.

**gijyun** · 07-24-2012, 11:42 AM

According to your borders and boundaries, you might consider changing the name of this map to "Areas You Should Stay Away From Because White People Are Not the Majority"

**seand** · 07-24-2012, 11:53 AM

I feel like maps like this are always pointless. They are static and don't reflect changes over time. They don't reflect shades of gray. This area is all "safe" to exactly the same degree but one step over this line and its uniformly "dangerous"? Thats not how the real world works.

**Sharkfood** · 07-24-2012, 05:55 PM

Just a guess, if you actually based this map on actual crime data, I think Pennsport, Packer Park and maybe a few spots in deep South Philly would come out on top.
Anything else, Queen Village, Grad Ho, Passyunk Square would be a mixed bag.

**Baloo** · 07-25-2012, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by seand

I feel like maps like this are always pointless. They are static and don't reflect changes over time. They don't reflect shades of gray. This area is all "safe" to exactly the same degree but one step over this line and its uniformly "dangerous"? Thats not how the real world works.

You sir, are obviously not from South Philly!

**Burholme06** · 07-25-2012, 08:39 AM

Growing up, my exposure to South Philadelphia was limited to Washington Ave., the 9th Street market, and the Sports Complex. Since moving to CC about 6 years ago, I’ve obviously had much more exposure. Driving back from Pier 70 or IKEA area toward Broad, the transition of a well kept neighborhood to a rough looking area, back to a well kept neighborhood is striking. I can’t say that I’ve seen anything change back and forth so quickly, a true pocket of decay in an otherwise nice and well kept section of the city. I think this maps shows that pretty well regardless of any other meaning or intent you want to draw from it.

**seand** · 07-25-2012, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Baloo

You sir, are obviously not from South Philly!

Yes. Its remarkable how on the north corners of 4th and Christian there is this invisible bullet proof barrier protecting you but how if you cross to one of the corners on the south side its just like civil war in Syria. At least according to this map.

C'mon.