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    Default Should Atlantic City become a beach city?

    fox 29 reports that the casino industry is in its worst condition since its inception. Should AC concentrate on bringing people back to the beach? should it have preserved its shore hotels?

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    How Will Atlantic City React To The Economic Slowdown?
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    Atlantic City HotelsThe resurrection of Atlantic City by the inception of casino gambling twenty years ago was a slow process, and with increasing competition, there is growing uncertainty as to whether the city’s future will be one of continued growth, stagnation, or a return to the decay and decline that made Atlantic City turn to gaming in the first place. Recent casino and urban development has pumped billions of dollars into New Jersey’s economy, generating in new tax revenue and creating more jobs than the city had residents. However, the casino industry has not restored Atlantic City to its former position as playground of the world or the major hospitality center of the United States as was anticipated in the Casino Control Act. Let’s go through some of the reasons and the facts that might help us understand this trend and whether it is a short-term glitch or a long-term phenomenon.

    The more typical experience is that of Atlantic City which has not reaped great benefits from its casinos, despite their contributing nearly seventy percent of the tax levy. The Atlantic City casinos collectively employ more than forty thousand people, wages are relatively low; study found that a third of the hotel jobs in the city paid very less.

    Atlantic City Hotels and Casinos have provided the needed resources for the redevelopment of the city. They have created thousands of moderate income jobs in a year round environment, catering to millions of tourists per year. Of course, the state of New Jersey has received substantial tax benefits as a result of casino revenues. The revenue from entertainment and gambling related taxes at Atlantic City is second only to Las Vegas in the United States. With such a seemingly positive cashflow, how can the economy not do well?

    There are several reasons that we think could be causing this. Political errors and the overall economic slowdown are perhaps the biggest ones. Because of disputes between Atlantic City, Atlantic County, and the state of New Jersey, the failing infrastructure and the social degeneration of the community continued up until five years ago. Under the New Jersey Casino control act, two percent of the gross revenue from casino operations was to be provided to the state of New Jersey for redevelopment projects within Atlantic City. Under the act, these funds were earmarked for urban redevelopment. The state believed that it did not need to use these funds in Atlantic City, assuming that the total investment in Atlantic City by hotels and entertainment facilities would be sufficient to stimulate growth within the community. The infrastructure and the need for city housing would be accelerated by the development of the casino industry itself. This assumption, combined with the overall nation-wide economic slowdown may have been one of the primary reasons for the current slowdown at Atlantic City.

    It is interesting that, in sharp contract, other states and local governments have not hesitated to spend millions in efforts to attract new jobs into their economies. The state of New York authorized sic new tribal casinos and slot machine gaming at eight race tracks. This was motivated in no small measure by the need to close the gap against large impending state deficits, relating both to the economic slowdown and to the anticipated economic consequences of the terrorist actions and the subsequent war on terrorism. This sort of further reinforces that casino development can still be a very favorable thing for the State and its economy if done well.

    More than 500 casino employees have been laid off in the past three months alone in Atlantic City and other leading gaming jurisdictions. The peripheral businesses for the casinos – hotels, atlantic city shows, Etc. are slowing down the fastest and even gaming revenues are showing signs of decline. Will Atlantic City survive this scare and come out ahead in the long run or is this the beginning of a new troubling era for it? Time will tell.

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    Those buildings are hotels with a floor or two of gambling.

    The casinos have opened many new beach amenities.


    Atlantic City Beach Bars - Live Music

    Generally opened from Memorial Day to Labor Day (May - Sept), the Atlantic City beach bars feature live music nightly in an outdoor setting second to no other in Atlantic City. Whether you visit a beach bar during the day of at night, there's plenty of fun for everyone. During the day you can lounge on beach, swim in the warm Atlantic Ocean and grab your favorite daytime cocktail at the bar between swims. At the night all three Atlantic City beach bars come alive. It's refreshing to watch the sunset with a cold beverage and after dark the live music will kick in. Each beach bar features a series of different bands nightly. A fan favorite "Don't Call Me Francis" an 80's retro band normally appears 2 times a week at the Trump Plaza Beach Bar. The Hilton Beach Bar has a combination of music including oldies on certain nights if the week. The Deck at the Trump Marina has a weekly concert series and hosts the annual "Battle of the Bands". Bally's Bikini Beach Bar also features live music, generally smaller bands with a more mellow tone. See you this summer at one of these really fun Atlantic City beach bars. One last thing, the Deck at the Trump Marina features a bikini contest on Friday nights called the "Miss Deckadence" pageant, this is always a night of fun and excitement.

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    Airplanes killed AC. AC has winter. Bermuda, not so much.


    Even AC tried to deal with that.


    Harrah’s Unveils Atlantic City’s Largest Pool
    Sunday May 20, 2007
    Harrah's in Atlantic City, New Jersey is billing the opening of their new pool and spa on Friday May 25th as the "Endless Summer." The 172,000-square-foot glass, dome-enclosed swimming pool complex will be the largest indoor pool in Atlantic City.

    The new pool complex will feature a 23,000-square-foot, 86,000-gallon heated pool, six Jacuzzis, 12 cabanas, indoor and outdoor deck areas, as well as The Pool Bar. The Pool complex will offer guests creative water-tainment both day and night with activities such as "dive-in" movies, luaus, pool-side spa treatments and live musical entertainment.

    To celebrate the opening of The Pool, the public ages 21 and older are invited to a Harrah's Open House over the Memorial Day weekend. During the Open House, there will be cash sales at The Pool Bar but swimming will not be permitted. Hours of the Open House are as follows:
    Friday, May 25: 7 p.m. - 12 a.m.
    Saturday, May 26: 10 p.m. - 2 a.m.
    Sunday, May 27: 7 p.m. - 12 a.m..

    Harrah’s Unveils Atlantic City’s Largest Pool

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    OTOH, desolate, the market has grown substantially over that time period and not everyoen can afford a flight to bermuda for a family of four...or go every weekend. What stops us form going to AC? until recently it was a total dump, the water was blocked off by a wall of light, the beach sucked, and there wasn't much of interest to do. recently, the beach has been improved (no more needles), there are more things to do (though still not enough). revenue ahs increased in the past few years from non-gambling attractions and, interestingly enough, although it's not enough in dollar terms to offset gambling's decline, it's done more to improve AC overall than gambling ever did. What would I do? build a higher speed train of course, to get people to and from AC quickly. driving isn't bad, but frankly, I'd prefer to sleep after a day at the beach and four beers....or, make it easy for people to head to AC for late night bars. I'd separate the casinos from the rest of the town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldondre View Post
    OTOH, desolate, the market has grown substantially over that time period and not everyoen can afford a flight to bermuda for a family of four...or go every weekend. What stops us form going to AC? until recently it was a total dump, the water was blocked off by a wall of light, the beach sucked, and there wasn't much of interest to do. recently, the beach has been improved (no more needles), there are more things to do (though still not enough). revenue ahs increased in the past few years from non-gambling attractions and, interestingly enough, although it's not enough in dollar terms to offset gambling's decline, it's done more to improve AC overall than gambling ever did. What would I do? build a higher speed train of course, to get people to and from AC quickly. driving isn't bad, but frankly, I'd prefer to sleep after a day at the beach and four beers....or, make it easy for people to head to AC for late night bars. I'd separate the casinos from the rest of the town.


    I've always agreed with you about a train.

    I'd use it.

    Ever been to Vegas?

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    ac will never work as a resort beach anymore like it did years ago, Without the Casinos, its slums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbound View Post
    ac will never work as a resort beach anymore like it did years ago, Without the Casinos, its slums.


    Wait, AC is part of New Jersey. I thought New Jersey was B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L? Just pointing out some fallacies in your thought processes. Enjoy your new home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbound View Post
    ac will never work as a resort beach anymore like it did years ago, Without the Casinos, its slums.
    why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbound View Post
    ac will never work as a resort beach anymore like it did years ago, Without the Casinos, its slums.

    AC existed just fine prior to the casinos. It WAS a beach town.
    Then the casinos came and made it slums. Perhaps there is no turning back though....

    If the casinos weren't there, AC would've been just like Ocean city, wildwood, or even Stone Harbor, Avalon. But because of the casinos, the focus on the actual beach shifted long time ago.

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    If ALL of the NJ Beaches got rid of the Beach Tags, more people would do day trips. Therefore, more money spent on Boardwalk's, more tax revenue.

    OTOH, that would be too radical!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rooster View Post
    If ALL of the NJ Beaches got rid of the Beach Tags, more people would do day trips. Therefore, more money spent on Boardwalk's, more tax revenue.

    OTOH, that would be too radical!
    AC has no beach tags. I went there once because it was close(r) and foudn the beach, hidden by a wall of neon, was actually pretty nice (for jersey) and free. I don't know that AC was ever like Ocean City (it was a center fo bech night life before casinos) but certainly, more similar. Jersey could use a beach city with condos, highrise hotels, etc...IMO. I've often that the the casinos should be shifted towards the borgata (As they're rebuilt), opening the boardwalk back up to beach related life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldondre View Post
    AC has no beach tags. I went there once because it was close(r) and foudn the beach, hidden by a wall of neon, was actually pretty nice (for jersey) and free. I don't know that AC was ever like Ocean City (it was a center fo bech night life before casinos) but certainly, more similar. Jersey could use a beach city with condos, highrise hotels, etc...IMO. I've often that the the casinos should be shifted towards the borgata (As they're rebuilt), opening the boardwalk back up to beach related life.
    AC used to be the center of the NJ Beach world. Steele Pier, World famous Boardwalk, excellent Beaches. Millions of Americans flocked there for their Honeymoons (including my in-laws). It was the place to go.

    I don't remember exactly what happened, but it went downhill sometime in the early 70's.

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    even as a kid in the 60's ac was never as nice as the other resort towns


    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rooster View Post
    AC used to be the center of the NJ Beach world. Steele Pier, World famous Boardwalk, excellent Beaches. Millions of Americans flocked there for their Honeymoons (including my in-laws). It was the place to go.

    I don't remember exactly what happened, but it went downhill sometime in the early 70's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbound View Post
    even as a kid in the 60's ac was never as nice as the other resort towns
    Yea...it's been dingy for some time now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbound View Post
    even as a kid in the 60's ac was never as nice as the other resort towns
    clearly they needed to reinvent themselves, with aging hotels adn a run down waterfront. ultimately, though, I thionk demolishing the waterfont for a wall of casinos that merely allowed the city to function without ever improving itself was probably a negative. if casino money was to be used, they would have been better off using off boardwalk sites and then movign some of the tax money to allow for incentives to modernize existing hotels, fix up streets, build parking garages, and implement high speed train service. Imagine being in AC in 30 min from Philly?
    Even as it is, if there were reasonably priced, decent hotels in AC I'd rent a room. less hassle, no beach tags, and trips to the white house. still, I'd prefer a fast train ride, beach day trip. a day in teh sun puts you out, i hate that end of the day drive.

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    I like AC. Actually, I like all the south Jersey shore towns, but AC is my favorite. Probably has something to do with childhood memories of driving down on Easter Sunday, being fascinated with the all the fancy dress on the boardwalk, the Steel Pier extravaganza, and then to Zaberers for dinner on the way home (anyone remember Zaberers?) My parents told me it was THE PLACE to go back in the 30's and 40's as many wealthy Philly families summered there. I've often wondered why it went to seed in the late 60's. I suspect part of the problem dovetailed with airconditioning and pools in the Philly suburbs along with reasonable air costs to more exotic Islands for vacations. And I don't think there was a lot of undeveloped land for the summer mansions like those in the NY Hamptons. But I still go there a few times each summer. I like the mix of a few hours on the beach, shopping at the upscale boardwalk pier, then the outlet stores, and finally a few rounds in the casino. But I get nervous after I loose $20, so I guess I'm not really contributing to their economy. I don't think it will ever be popular with the upscale singles crowd as tried with the Borgota...too many other choices. But I think it has the potential to become popular with families again if there were more family oriented activities and accommodations. I'd love to see that happen. And yes, a train would definitely help.

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    if you remember back when the casinos first came to be in AC.. The whole town was the slums.. The casinos promised pumping $$ into the town to turn it around. That was one of the reasons the casinos were pushed in AC. The town was in a major slide to ghettoville. And still is when you drive away from the casinos. AC will never be a family shore vacation destination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbound View Post
    if you remember back when the casinos first came to be in AC.. The whole town was the slums.. The casinos promised pumping $$ into the town to turn it around. That was one of the reasons the casinos were pushed in AC. The town was in a major slide to ghettoville. And still is when you drive away from the casinos. AC will never be a family shore vacation destination.
    That's why it's a bad idea for Philly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rooster View Post
    AC used to be the center of the NJ Beach world. Steele Pier, World famous Boardwalk, excellent Beaches. Millions of Americans flocked there for their Honeymoons (including my in-laws). It was the place to go.

    I don't remember exactly what happened, but it went downhill sometime in the early 70's.



    This became cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbound View Post
    if you remember back when the casinos first came to be in AC.. The whole town was the slums.. The casinos promised pumping $$ into the town to turn it around. That was one of the reasons the casinos were pushed in AC. The town was in a major slide to ghettoville. And still is when you drive away from the casinos. AC will never be a family shore vacation destination.
    eh. it's not sliding, it already slid. what actualy happened was the casinos allowed the extremely corrupt Atlantic City to ignore it's problems because the money was still rolling in. I don't remember back that far, but I've heard that it's worse than it was. AC was originally a beach city but with the spread of the car, people could easily get to any shore town. additionally, as dessie pointed out, flying became cheaper. While thankfully it will never be Ocean City, I do think there's room for Atlantic City to become relevant again. the regions have grown tremendously and the anti-development attitudes of the other places drive up prices. Additionally, AC is easier to get to. We started going there after they redid the beach because it was closer and free. Would I rent a room in AC? yep, except most of the hotels are run down. the essential problem, everything is in the casinos and the casinos suck. except the white house of course. at least the knife and fork is back. at any rate, with teh growth in populations from both nyc and philly, I think there's room for AC to grow. They should invest in a high speed train to cut travel time from philly in half, and they should move the casinos away from the beachfront. you don't need to be on the beach to gamble.

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    the white house sucks. Make geno's customer service appear to be the four seasons.

 

 

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