New pub in old Vesuvio's / Little Bar space

**magicrat** · 06-22-2012, 03:33 PM

» Opening Soon: Garage and Growlers Foobooz Philadelphia

**darthsinatra** · 06-22-2012, 03:56 PM

"no live music, no djs." thank heaven. Now if only we could make sure no $1 PBR pounders.

**loveisnoise** · 06-22-2012, 04:08 PM

Gee. A gastropub. That will last about 30 seconds.

**darthsinatra** · 06-22-2012, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by loveisnoise

Gee. A gastropub. That will last about 30 seconds.

You're prolly right but I hope you're not.

**loveisnoise** · 06-22-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

You're prolly right but I hope you're not.

He's successful, and I heard the plans for Garage are pretty wild- but "Growlers"?!?! Yikes.

The other problem is the 'landlord'. Let's not forget that it is the same nut bag that ran that building into the ground and had 1/2 the women of Facebook block him from his late night perverted messages. I'd have a clause stating that the landlord isn't allowed within 500ft of a customer.

**darthsinatra** · 06-22-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by loveisnoise

He's successful, and I heard the plans for Garage are pretty wild- but "Growlers"?!?! Yikes.

The other problem is the 'landlord'. Let's not forget that it is the same nut bag that ran that building into the ground and had 1/2 the women of Facebook block him from his late night perverted messages. I'd have a clause stating that the landlord isn't allowed within 500ft of a customer.

So, I'm fairly close to the situation and I believe the true landlords are the parents of said pervert, whom I have not seen in months. The parents are decent people, if not crazy in their own way.

**loveisnoise** · 06-22-2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

So, I'm fairly close to the situation and I believe the true landlords are the parents of said pervert, whom I have not seen in months. The parents are decent people, if not crazy in their own way.

Oh really?! Wild. I thought it was all under his corporation.

I know he was talking about going back to school, but didn't hear that he actually went. If he's gone, good riddance. Guess we'll see what happens.

**darthsinatra** · 06-22-2012, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by loveisnoise

Oh really?! Wild. I thought it was all under his corporation.

I know he was talking about going back to school, but didn't hear that he actually went. If he's gone, good riddance. Guess we'll see what happens.

I think the business end of things was/is still the brothers', but mom & pop def still own the bricks. I really want to see something normal and successful in that space. I think everyone does.

**loveisnoise** · 06-22-2012, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

I think the business end of things was/is still the brothers', but mom & pop def still own the bricks. I really want to see something normal and successful in that space. I think everyone does.

I hate when people so eagerly dismiss a 'bar' bar, or a place that has music within reason-but in my novice opinion, this particular place should really be fitted for eating finer fare-like cochon or similar.

Maybe the gastropub will bring back 'the world's best sandwich'... bwahahahahahahaha

**darthsinatra** · 06-22-2012, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by loveisnoise

I hate when people so eagerly dismiss a 'bar' bar, or a place that has music within reason-but in my novice opinion, this particular place should really be fitted for eating finer fare-like cochon or similar.

Maybe the gastropub will bring back 'the world's best sandwich'... bwahahahahahahaha

As you know the neighbors on that block are vocal and organized. There is one person in particular who made life EXTREMELY difficult for Vesuvio's publicans. I agree the neighborhood could support something a little higher-end. And I agree people def get their knickers in a twist very quickly when the subject of bar/music/noise/fun comes up. It's annoying. Live and let live, I always say.

That was truly a sadwich. Callback bazinga!

**Hospitalitygirl** · 06-22-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

As you know the neighbors on that block are vocal and organized. There is one person in particular who made life EXTREMELY difficult for Vesuvio's publicans. I agree the neighborhood could support something a little higher-end. And I agree people def get their knickers in a twist very quickly when the subject of bar/music/noise/fun comes up. It's annoying. Live and let live, I always say.

That was truly a sadwich. Callback bazinga!

But but but...we're a *residentiaaaaaaalllllll* block...wah wah wah

**kraymehr** · 06-26-2012, 09:39 AM

I'm hoping for something that follows the tapestry, devils den, hawthorns model... Good food, good beer selection, a little less emphasis on drinking.

Remember that people loved vesuvio in the fishtank, pool tables, and good food years...

**robot** · 06-26-2012, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

As you know the neighbors on that block are vocal and organized. There is one person in particular who made life EXTREMELY difficult for Vesuvio's publicans. I agree the neighborhood could support something a little higher-end. And I agree people def get their knickers in a twist very quickly when the subject of bar/music/noise/fun comes up. It's annoying. Live and let live, I always say.

That was truly a sadwich. Callback bazinga!

I think a nice bar with good food could do great in the area. Wishing well seems to be doing well, even though I though the food was terrible the last time I went.
There was something sketchy about Vesuvio's that I think kept many locals from going there.
I don't get all the hate from the neighbors on that block. 8th street is one of the dirtiest blocks in Bella Vista. Maybe they should focus their efforts on sweeping up a little.

**darthsinatra** · 06-26-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by robot

I think a nice bar with good food could do great in the area. Wishing well seems to be doing well, even though I though the food was terrible the last time I went.
There was something sketchy about Vesuvio's that I think kept many locals from going there.
I don't get all the hate from the neighbors on that block. 8th street is one of the dirtiest blocks in Bella Vista. Maybe they should focus their efforts on sweeping up a little.

That block of 8th def needs some tlc but the nosy neighbors were on the Fitzwater side, which is a lot nicer and quieter.

**robot** · 06-26-2012, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

That block of 8th def needs some tlc but the nosy neighbors were on the Fitzwater side, which is a lot nicer and quieter.

I see. I blame the smoking ban for forcing all the smokers outside with their conversations and litter.

**SamWaterston** · 06-27-2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by loveisnoise

The other problem is the 'landlord'. Let's not forget that it is the same nut bag that ran that building into the ground and had 1/2 the women of Facebook block him from his late night perverted messages. I'd have a clause stating that the landlord isn't allowed within 500ft of a customer.

The shade-ball owner of Vesuvios / Little Bar (formerlly known as Armitage Shanks) has nothing to do with that property anymore, thankfully. I don't even think he is in Philly anymore.

**darthsinatra** · 06-27-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by robot

I see. I blame the smoking ban for forcing all the smokers outside with their conversations and litter.

Man, you hit the nail on the head right there.

**SamWaterston** · 06-27-2012, 01:08 PM

I don't know much about the squabbles between the neighborhood and this bar (besides what I've read on here) ... but I can tell you that the failure of Vesuvios and (more specifically) Little Bar is almost entirely the fault of the former owner. We're talking about a guy who had his entire staff walk out on him - after he fired a completely different staff only a few months prior.

This is an incredible location, and Little Bar actually had some very interesting things going on, with passionate people bringing something new to the area / bar scene ... there were decent crowds, and they were for the most part corteous and respectful of the neighborhood. This was not some rowdy club that it was made out to be. I had high hopes for the place - but the idiot owner single handedly ruined everything.

**iheartphilly** · 06-28-2012, 12:17 PM

He wears a suit everyday, getting into his mini car. Thw father is has a separate garage where he runs his saw & other tools at all times, including 6 in the moring.

**darthsinatra** · 06-28-2012, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

He wears a suit everyday, getting into his mini car. Thw father is has a separate garage where he runs his saw & other tools at all times, including 6 in the moring.

I think we're talking about two different people. There are two brothers. One (the perv) moved south, the other stayed local and went to work for a large local vertically-integrated telecommuncations and entertainment company.