Can't wait to see how Starr will swoon the neighbors to get outdoor seating. Hell, they denied Ansill's request and he was the most lowkey restauranteur ever.
Wonder what SS current interest in our Village is all about, not that I dont appreciate nicer places then Dairy Queen. Not that there is anything wrong with Dairy Queen
uh, yeah. We just have dairy queen. Which has been here for 20 years, and no similar places have been trying to move in. Meanwhile:
Beau Monde
Las Bugambilias
Xochitl
Hoof and Fin
blah blah blah
Do I really have to mention the 60-70 restaurants and byobs that are actually the stereotype? If anything, Starr is slow to catch up only because this is where he started and he has the same ignorant perspective of the neighborhood as anyone else-and he only lives a few blocks away.
uh, yeah. We just have dairy queen. Which has been here for 20 years, and no similar places have been trying to move in. Meanwhile:
Beau Monde
Las Bugambilias
Xochitl
Hoof and Fin
blah blah blah
Do I really have to mention the 60-70 restaurants and byobs that are actually the stereotype? If anything, Starr is slow to catch up only because this is where he started and he has the same ignorant perspective of the neighborhood as anyone else-and he only lives a few blocks away.
Maybe Dairy Queen was the wrong establishment to comment on but you know what i mean. You dont have to be Fresh either. I was just asking a question....
I didnt know SS lived in QV which has no impact on my life but interesting.
It is a statement of how people make ill perceptions of our neighborhood based off of completely inaccurate information.
In a business district of over 600 businesses, there are what-3 food chains? Dairy Queen, Haagan Daz, and auntie annes. Commercial districts need them for viability. Even if one goes out on a limb and includes wawa and the two starbucks, less than 1% of our makeup is chain food. Ever go to CC lately? While people applaud center city, it has actually turned into a mall food court, with some blocks almost exclusively being fast food.
Meanwhile, we have the widest variety of finer fare restaurants anywhere, and they are only diminished by generalizations that are not true.
Starr does not live in QV; he lives in Society Hill.
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It is a statement of how people make ill perceptions of our neighborhood based off of completely inaccurate information.
In a business district of over 600 businesses, there are what-3 food chains? Dairy Queen, Haagan Daz, and auntie annes. Commercial districts need them for viability. Even if one goes out on a limb and includes wawa and the two starbucks, less than 1% of our makeup is chain food. Ever go to CC lately? While people applaud center city, it has actually turned into a mall food court, with some blocks almost exclusively being fast food.
Meanwhile, we have the widest variety of finer fare restaurants anywhere, and they are only diminished by generalizations that are not true.
Starr does not live in QV; he lives in Society Hill.
It is a statement of how people make ill perceptions of our neighborhood based off of completely inaccurate information.
In a business district of over 600 businesses, there are what-3 food chains? Dairy Queen, Haagan Daz, and auntie annes. Commercial districts need them for viability. Even if one goes out on a limb and includes wawa and the two starbucks, less than 1% of our makeup is chain food. Ever go to CC lately? While people applaud center city, it has actually turned into a mall food court, with some blocks almost exclusively being fast food.
Meanwhile, we have the widest variety of finer fare restaurants anywhere, and they are only diminished by generalizations that are not true.
Starr does not live in QV; he lives in Society Hill.
what about johnny rockets? don't forget we had a mcdonalds, subway, and the kfc/pizzahut thing that failed. we do not have sustainable everyday foot traffic for those places to be successful. don't get me wrong, i prefer local establishments.
ok, Johnny rochette's. Which brings tons of families and is busy everyday. Still doesn't make more than 1% of our makeup.
Our mcdonalds was one of the most successful in the NE corridor. It only failed because the owner died and the wife ran it into the ground until corporate seized it, along with her 3 other franchises.
Subway failed because the guy opened two other locations too fast, and all of them went under.
It was a kfc/taco bell. I know the old owners personally. They came here because of the high numbers posted by mcdonalds. They failed because they were cheap-plain and simple. They bought that build for 180k, profited from the above apartments alone, and kept a skeletal crew trying to maximize profits. No one will wait a 1/2 hour for a 99cent burrito. There should never be a line out the door of waiting patrons at a taco bell, but it was a daily occurences there. The daughter who ran it moved to Chicago to work on their mall properties so they got rid of it.
Just because something closed doesn't mean it was a failure.
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Originally Posted by busted
what about johnny rockets? don't forget we had a mcdonalds, subway, and the kfc/pizzahut thing that failed. we do not have sustainable everyday foot traffic for those places to be successful. don't get me wrong, i prefer local establishments.
ok, Johnny rochette's. Which brings tons of families and is busy everyday. Still doesn't make more than 1% of our makeup.
Our mcdonalds was one of the most successful in the NE corridor. It only failed because the owner died and the wife ran it into the ground until corporate seized it, along with her 3 other franchises.
Subway failed because the guy opened two other locations too fast, and all of them went under.
It was a kfc/taco bell. I know the old owners personally. They came here because of the high numbers posted by mcdonalds. They failed because they were cheap-plain and simple. They bought that build for 180k, profited from the above apartments alone, and kept a skeletal crew trying to maximize profits. No one will wait a 1/2 hour for a 99cent burrito. There should never be a line out the door of waiting patrons at a taco bell, but it was a daily occurences there. The daughter who ran it moved to Chicago to work on their mall properties so they got rid of it.
Just because something closed doesn't mean it was a failure.
but in each example you even stated that they all failed
but in each example you even stated that they all failed
You were attempting to draw a line from those particular operations into the overall lack of foot traffic on South Street. I do believe LIN was showing you that it wasn't the lack of traffic but serious mismanagement which led to the demise of those locations.
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but in each example you even stated that they all failed
And such is the ignorance of business.
You cannot say something 'failed' if it was profitable and sustainable. It may have ran it's course, but it did not fail.
Gayle made money. It closed so that the owner could focus on new and better ventures.
Coquette made money. It closed because the owner was too cheap to accomodate his amazing chef.
Ansill made money, but closed to a tough downturn in the economy.
Just because you die someday will people say you failed? Of course not.
People are so quick to point this or that fast food place that closed while forgetting about how many 'local'(which are not actually local) places that closed.
Meanwhile, if you like 'local'. Go to Jims everyday. The owner is a vegetarian that lives on 2nd and Lombard. Go to Bridget Foy's who have lived in QV for 40 years. Go to auntie annes, who have been proud neighbors for 20 years. Go to the tattoo and piercing shops whose owners have been born and raised here. Go to plumer re because he was literally born in the place across the street. On and on. A lot of these places have 'local' connections even if it isn't immediately known.
Any speculation on what Starr might do with the place? A commenter on Foobooz mentioned that it would be chef-driven. Not sure if that's reliable or not. Ansill did a great job with the interior with that beautiful bar and plenty of seating. Queen Village would really benefit from a Standard Tap or N. 3rd type place. Starr hasn't really done the gastropub thing. That's my vote.
It is a statement of how people make ill perceptions of our neighborhood based off of completely inaccurate information.
In a business district of over 600 businesses, there are what-3 food chains? Dairy Queen, Haagan Daz, and auntie annes. Commercial districts need them for viability. Even if one goes out on a limb and includes wawa and the two starbucks, less than 1% of our makeup is chain food. Ever go to CC lately? While people applaud center city, it has actually turned into a mall food court, with some blocks almost exclusively being fast food.
Meanwhile, we have the widest variety of finer fare restaurants anywhere, and they are only diminished by generalizations that are not true.
Starr does not live in QV; he lives in Society Hill.
You cannot say something 'failed' if it was profitable and sustainable. It may have ran it's course, but it did not fail.
Gayle made money. It closed so that the owner could focus on new and better ventures.
Coquette made money. It closed because the owner was too cheap to accomodate his amazing chef.
Ansill made money, but closed to a tough downturn in the economy.
Just because you die someday will people say you failed? Of course not.
People are so quick to point this or that fast food place that closed while forgetting about how many 'local'(which are not actually local) places that closed.
Meanwhile, if you like 'local'. Go to Jims everyday. The owner is a vegetarian that lives on 2nd and Lombard. Go to Bridget Foy's who have lived in QV for 40 years. Go to auntie annes, who have been proud neighbors for 20 years. Go to the tattoo and piercing shops whose owners have been born and raised here. Go to plumer re because he was literally born in the place across the street. On and on. A lot of these places have 'local' connections even if it isn't immediately known.
You sure said alot there and i will respond based upon my observations. Unlike you, i do not own a business in this area. so i'll give you that you prolly have more specific knowledge regarding business in the area, but that's cool, cause i enjoy reading your posts. i do not work a traditional job, therefore i have lots of free time. i have two dogs and am constantly out walking them around the neighborhood.
Sure, Gayle, Ansil and Coquette all made money, but that was when they initially opened. In this neighborhood, i have noticed new restaurants usually do that. I remember when coquette first opened they were so busy they even had outside seating on that little island between fifth and passyunk. Apparently, for whatever reason, his personality towards his staff (quote from you in another thread) or his cheapness, he did not succeed. I believe he is the same guy that bought an institution and ran that into the ground. So, it closed. Failure or whatever, they are no longer in business.
Ansil never had the neighborhood's support from the beginning. Outside seating issue well documented, but obviously not only cause. People around there were so worried about it being O'Neils with outside seating. I know, I showed up in support for his hearing and that's what they said! Crazy.
Gayle had a much longer run than those two but ultimately it too closed for lack of business. Daniel Stern is a celebrity chef and I would never say anything less about him, but Gayle closed because it was not self-sustaining. Restaurants cannot survive on Friday and Saturday alone. With his celebrity status, Daniel is able to raise money from investors with almost any concept. I hope he does well at his new joint on Market St.
So, I'm not sure what to say when a business has "run its course" and has closed. Maybe it was the product, concept, competition, or economy that ultimately caused the establishment to close. However, in the eyes of the general public, it seems that these places have failed. I hope you weren't an investor in any of them, but please don't take it personal that this is the conclusion that people may be left with.
Wow, it sure is funny that the owner of Jim's is a vegetarian. I never would've guessed it. I don't eat that type of food but it sure is a good suggestion, as I take out of towners there when they want to experience a philly cheese stake. I never did care for Foys but I do like the upgrades they made to the exterior after they got a whole bunch of insurance money after the car ran into their front. I think it looks much better on the outside even though their logo looks like converse all star, or is it just me who thinks that?
While we're on the topic of suggesting other establishments, mine are Taramind, Hikaru, and Golden Empress. I usually eat at each of these once per week. Although I am not vegetarian, I love rice and vegetables and could eat them every night. Occasionally, we go to Horizons as well. I drink my booze at Moms once a week or so. Royal Tavern and Ugly American round out my drinking establishments. Morning Glory gets my brunch business. I don't drink coffee but enjoy tea and breakfast stuff at fuyla and south street bagels. i would never walk into a chain like starbucks when there are local businesses offering the same or similiar items. I try Cohen hardware and the joint on Passyunk n Washington before heading to box stores on Deleware Ave.
Finally, I am surprised people still get piercings, I kind of thought that was a fad from the 90's sustained only by Jersey kids on weekends. I do appreciate the artwork done by tattooers and think creating art on a living medium is awesome, but was never interested in that for myself. My better half has three tattoos all done by Timothy Hoyer. I have no plans to ever be wanted by authorities, but if I ever were, that sure makes it easy to identify and track a person down.
Thank you for allowing me to express my thoughts and observations, Im sure i shall stand corrected. I'll be nice though and not attempt to smack you down again. That was way outta line.
Busted, you picked some nice places there. Hikaru in particular has been around a long time--25 years. It's a place we go to on occasion. And there are others that have longevity--La Fourno has been around for years too.
Let's not forget places like Garland of Letters--I can't remember the area not having that business.
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