Space Taken by 60 People

[Colin P. Varga]

SPACE taken by 60 people {car-bus-bike} ... secret republic

[raider.adam]

Space isn't the issue. Time is usually the prime issue in modes of transportation.

[Colin P. Varga]

Space isn't the issue. Time is usually the prime issue in modes of transportation.

Space and time are relative. So far all traffic construction is based on providing more space for cars to decrease congestion. If not then let's close the Vine St. Expwy. and save the taxpayers money and let nature take it's course.

[gren]

Space isn't the issue. Time is usually the prime issue in modes of transportation.

They are both issues, obviously. They are just different issues. Time is what's important to individual commuters trying to go to a destination. Space is what's important for land use which determines where people are likely to live and work.

The point of the picture I believe isn't really talking about commuting as much as how we use valuable public land in our cities.

[Colin P. Varga]

They are both issues, obviously. They are just different issues. Time is what's important to individual commuters trying to go to a destination. Space is what's important for land use which determines where people are likely to live and work.

The point of the picture I believe isn't really talking about commuting as much as how we use valuable public land in our cities.

Your point is a good one addressing resources in a city, but I wouldn't say the photo illustrates that. A little over thinking I believe. This photo seems to be about traffic congestion and commuting. However, back to your point about resources, we dedicate more space to traffic time for commuting is getting longer. More money for roads (which equals space for cars) leads to greater time for commuting. At least this has been the law of money, roads, and cars so far.

[Illiniwek]

Space and time are relative.

Very Einsteinian.

[Colin P. Varga]

Very Einsteinian.

This is the universe we live in.

Building roads (adding space for cars) to lessen commuting time is pointless and a big waste of money.

The Economics of Traffic Congestion:
http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/~tedb/Cours...07/traffic.pdf

[ajaynejr]

Choose one.

Capital intensive -- Build more roads and/or build roads (and bikeways, etc.) that are more impervious to scofflaws.

Labor intensive -- Rigorously enforce laws pertaining to road usage.

Failure to make the choice has led to the current situation where the prevailing choice of speed balanced with safety is the automobile.

[Colin P. Varga]

Choose one.

Capital intensive -- Build more roads and/or build roads (and bikeways, etc.) that are more impervious to scofflaws.

Labor intensive -- Rigorously enforce laws pertaining to road usage.

Failure to make the choice has led to the current situation where the prevailing choice of speed balanced with safety is the automobile.

But more automobiles decrease speed and increase commuting time which calls for more space (roads) which creates demand which decreases space and increases commuting time which calls for more roads (space) creates demand which decreases space which increases commuting time, etc.

[Eastcoast]

...and all the worlds population can fit into TX with a supposed lower population density than Manhattan.

Besides, I like my car, buses are expensive and I'd have a hell of a time getting my 59 friends to help me wash it on the weekend!

[Colin P. Varga]

...and all the worlds population can fit into TX with a supposed lower population density than Manhattan.

Besides, I like my car, buses are expensive and I'd have a hell of a time getting my 59 friends to help me wash it on the weekend!

But no one has to "build" Texas every ten to twenty years.

Cars are becoming excellent entertainment centers but as transportation the quality of their ability to get from point "A" to "B" is deteriorating because of people's desire for cars, but not for the true desire of efficient transportation.

[Marc]

But no one has to "build" Texas every ten to twenty years.

Cars are becoming excellent entertainment centers but as transportation the quality of their ability to get from point "A" to "B" is deteriorating because of people's desire for cars, but not for the true desire of efficient transportation.

Efficient is a rather subjective term. The graphic that depicted the cars could perhaps be more accurately labeled "60 cars". For the sake of effect I expect each was maxed at 25% capacity. To eliminate or more realistically stymie our automobile culture requires 70+ years of ingrained and intertwined financial, mental, cultural, economic, infrastructure, planning, etc. undoing. How does that happen?

[Illiniwek]

But no one has to "build" Texas every ten to twenty years.

Cars are becoming excellent entertainment centers but as transportation the quality of their ability to get from point "A" to "B" is deteriorating because of people's desire for cars, but not for the true desire of efficient transportation.

Cars are great for zipping from point A to point B, as long as the points aren't located in an East Coast metro area. Public transit sucks outside metro areas and in the vast majority of metro areas.

Cars still win.

[Colin P. Varga]

Cars are great for zipping from point A to point B, as long as the points aren't located in an East Coast metro area. Public transit sucks outside metro areas and in the vast majority of metro areas.

Cars still win.

Seattle has very bad congestion. I lived in Portland OR before the light-rail was there and that was no picnic.

Only 4 of the 10 worst cities are on the East Coast:
10 Worst Traffic Cities in the U.S.

Outside of a major city, or a minor city like Portland, the car wins because there are fewer cars given the space. I'm not anti-car and I don't think the poster was anti-car either.