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    Well it looks like the first cars to be shipped up to Alstom for rebuilding will begin leaving Lindenwold March 3rd by truck on bogeys.

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    In the aircraft world this is zero-timing the airframe, and the engine is usually new.

    There is a company which zero-times police cars, mostly for rural police district's for about 70% of the cost of a new one.

    Given the success of the Route 15 PCCs by that Western PA firm. do you disagree with this concept for PATCO?

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    Never thought of it that way but I guess that is the case. Though the rail cars trucks will be originals with rebuilt motors and gear boxes, As will be the compressors.

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    Default PATCO rail car shipment

    Photos of the PATCO cars begining the voyage north from Lindenwold N.J. to New York state for rebuild at this link.Viewing Album: PATCO - Railroad Picture Archives.NET

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    So are they gutting the car interior and adding auto announcements? Or just rebuilding the outside?

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    Losing bidder asks DRPA to consider new offer to rebuild PATCO fleetBy Paul Nussbaum The Philadelphia Inquirer
    Publication: Philadelphia Inquirer (Pennsylvania) Date: Friday, December 3 2010

    Dec. 03--The company that lost the $200 million job to rebuild PATCO's fleet of 120 train cars is not giving up.

    Bombardier Inc., of Canada, said in a letter this week that it would continue to pursue the contract and make a new offer to PATCO officials by Tuesday. Bombardier will offer to drop its price by $15 million and provide new car shells rather than reuse the existing ones, the letter said. A Delaware River Port Authority committee last month approved the awarding of the contract to Alstom Transport Inc., of France, to rebuild the cars at its plant in Hornell, N.Y. The award still needs the approval of the full DRPA board, which is scheduled to consider it Dec. 15. PATCO is a subsidiary of the DRPA.

    Alstom's bid was $194.2 million. Bombardier's bid was $230.3 million, 19 percent higher than Alstom's. Current plans call for gutting PATCO's 120 cars and replacing the interiors, the brake and propulsion systems, the lighting and messaging systems, and the heating and cooling systems. The stainless-steel car shells, wheel assemblies, and traction motors would be reused. The whole project, including design and construction, is expected to take about five years.

    PATCO officials said buying new cars would have cost about twice as much. In Bombardier's letter, sent to DRPA chief executive John Matheussen and all 16 board members, a company official said using new car shells at its plant in Bath, N.Y., would speed the project and provide longer service life for PATCO.

    Bombardier also "urges the DRPA not to make a final decision regarding the award . . . at this time, but rather to delay such decision" until the new proposal is formally submitted next week, wrote Thomas J. Martin, general manager of sales and business development. The process of awarding the contract has taken nearly two years.

    After initial proposals were received in August 2009, a third company, Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles, of Spain, was eliminated as noncompetitive. Alstom and Bombardier submitted revised proposals last August, and Alstom received the higher score from PATCO on price and technical issues. Alstom declined to comment on the Bombardier proposal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey View Post
    So are they gutting the car interior and adding auto announcements? Or just rebuilding the outside?
    Well each car will be stripped down to the stainless steel shell which includes asbestos abatement. Upgrade and new coupler. All new interior. A new full width operators cab. A new door operation and control system. Rebuild the HVAC system. All new lighting system. A new chopper propulsion system to replace the old GE cam based system. The trucks and motors will be rebuilt. A new cab signal ATO/ATC event recorder. New digital communication system. This is just a short list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZARK View Post
    Well each car will be stripped down to the stainless steel shell which includes asbestos abatement. Upgrade and new coupler. All new interior. A new full width operators cab. A new door operation and control system. Rebuild the HVAC system. All new lighting system. A new chopper propulsion system to replace the old GE cam based system. The trucks and motors will be rebuilt. A new cab signal ATO/ATC event recorder. New digital communication system. This is just a short list.
    So why couldn't they get newer cars....theres no good reason not too.... $$$ is not the issue here....if there doing all that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey View Post
    So why couldn't they get newer cars....theres no good reason not too.... $$$ is not the issue here....if there doing all that..
    Sometimes it makes more sense to rebuild quality than it does to buy new. If my shoes need to be resoled and resoling them will cost as much as buying new but inferior quality shoes, I would go with resoling my old quality shoes over buying new crapola. To use an example, these cars are older than the DC Metro cars, which at this point are worn out, and have been for a long time. Why mess with quality and a great track record? You are being very shortsighted. New things will get old, and they may or may not age gracefully or gracelessly, but old things which have stood the test of time will continue to age gracefully by definition - they have a 42 year track record of doing so, and there's no reason to believe that the next 42 years will be any different.
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    But even stainless steel carbodies wear out eventually. Rebuilt PATCOs will be a lot cheaper than brand new, but will they last another 40 years?

 

 

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