Football Thread Only-Vick or Kolb?

**Bulworth67** · 09-14-2010, 04:33 PM

N.B. This thread is not for the people who think Vick is a REALLY REALLY BAD GUY. That's the other thread. This thread is for football fans to discuss FOOTBALL.

Now that we have that out of the way-Vick or Kolb? I for one, can't believe how quickly Kolb has been thrown into the gutter after less than one half of crappy play. This is the guy who threw for over 300 yards in his first two starts right? And the Green Bay game was his third start right?
WTF?

**The Count** · 09-14-2010, 05:24 PM

This is Philly and Philly always loves the backup QB more than the starter.

Right up until they become the starter.

**caL** · 09-14-2010, 07:38 PM

Unfortunately, Kolb supporters like us could be looking at a worst case scenario next week assuming Vick plays well against a weak Lions team. Maybe the rookie Suh will crack his neck. Hey, not saying I want that, but it would end the controversy. The more likely scenario is that Vick plays well and gets a win. The win part is great. But we have to be clear going into the game that no matter how well Vick plays, he goes to the bench when Kolb's good to go. Kolb won't develop into a good pocket passer if he's constantly sharing time with Vick.

Here's the bottom line to all the Vick supporters. Vick is athletic, moreso than Kolb. But while that athleticism may look good and win us a few games, it won't get us a ring. That's the goal, and Vick won't get us there. If you think he will, you're kidding yourself. We don't have the ground game to compliment a Vick-like QB (like Vince Young does in Tennessee with CJ). Super Bowl in mind, we have to get rid of the Kolbwebs and let the kid play. Every down, every situation. If it means we go 8-8, so be it. He needs time to develop into the Aaron Rodgers like QB Reid brought him on to be. If he stinks it up next year we can talk. But for now, the guy is the future and he needs the fans to get behind him.

**Bulworth67** · 09-15-2010, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by caL

Unfortunately, Kolb supporters like us could be looking at a worst case scenario next week assuming Vick plays well against a weak Lions team. Maybe the rookie Suh will crack his neck. Hey, not saying I want that, but it would end the controversy. The more likely scenario is that Vick plays well and gets a win. The win part is great. But we have to be clear going into the game that no matter how well Vick plays, he goes to the bench when Kolb's good to go. Kolb won't develop into a good pocket passer if he's constantly sharing time with Vick.

Here's the bottom line to all the Vick supporters. Vick is athletic, moreso than Kolb. But while that athleticism may look good and win us a few games, it won't get us a ring. That's the goal, and Vick won't get us there. If you think he will, you're kidding yourself. We don't have the ground game to compliment a Vick-like QB (like Vince Young does in Tennessee with CJ). Super Bowl in mind, we have to get rid of the Kolbwebs and let the kid play. Every down, every situation. If it means we go 8-8, so be it. He needs time to develop into the Aaron Rodgers like QB Reid brought him on to be. If he stinks it up next year we can talk. But for now, the guy is the future and he needs the fans to get behind him.

Great point Cal. Vick is not the long term answer. He's a career 54% passer. And the NFL is moving toward the passing game.

It may not be Kolb but he sure looks like he has the potential.

**desolate** · 09-15-2010, 11:14 AM

I'm not against having both.

I don't really buy into this rythmn thing with getting Kolb in there so much.

THey do practice all week with Kolb under center.

A weak line, we may want to hae him out less so we don't have a concussed QB that's worthless in week 3.

Also, it's nearly impossible to gameplan for two types of QB's when you don't know who is coming out each down.

**ndebergerac** · 09-15-2010, 11:40 AM

I think it's apparent to most that this isn't going to be a Super Bowl year, probably not even a play off year. So with that said, what is to be gained by not using the QB that the coach has touted as the future franchise QB for the past 3 years? Vick can be very exciting and showed on Sunday that he is capable, but his career stats speak for themselves, he just isn't a leading NFL QB. Now, whether Kolb will develop in to such a player, no of us really know, but hasn't the team invested way too much time and money in the guy to just ditch him after a bad half? I can't see Kolb not being our starting QB for the next 2 years minimum, after that, if he stinks, then the Eagles will need to find a replacement, by then Vick will be a distant memory.

Long story short, I don't see the Vick v Kolb conversation having any relevance? There is no competition, Kolb is the starter, Vick will be a free agent at the end of the season.

**FMT** · 09-16-2010, 09:36 AM

Vick's certainly much better, he's a repeat Pro-Bowler. Even though he's lost a step, he'd be a great starting QB for the Eagles. I can't root for a team with Vick at the helm for moral reasons, but honestly if Kolb's the QB all year, it may be hard to root for this team for 4-12 reasons. It's a lost year for Eagles football. Get Jackson extended, fix the o-line and evaluate Kolb's progress before going into next year. That's what this season is all about.

**OGrey** · 09-16-2010, 11:24 AM

Vick is 30 years old. He has a 38-28 record as a starter on a team that had way less offensive weapons than the current Eagles team. He also had a reputation for not taking football seriously and being habitually unprepared - yet he still compiled that record. He won big playoff games and took the Falcons to an NFC Championship game.

Those who say you can't win a Super Bowl with Vick are just fooling themselves. I'm not saying it will happen, but he certainly has the talent to do it. Matt Shaub had one of the greatest statistical seasons of any QB in NFL history last season and the Texans went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. Passing stats like completion % and yards are great when drafting fantasy teams, but they don't necessarily get you wins.

All that said, I understand Cal's points. They are valid. However, it's not like Kolb is 24 and Vick 32. Kolb is 26 and Vick is 30, almost exactly 4 years apart. Vick has also been out for bascially four seasons so he's probably a young 30. Vick has far more than four years more experience than Kolb does even going back to his college days playing major competition. IMO, Vick will be an NFL starter for at least 4 more years after this one. It's not like we're talking about a guy who is at the tail end of his career. He's in his prime.

Vick is a member of the team. If he plays better and beats out Kolb, he should be the guy. I don't think this team should be considered to be rebuilding. They need to put the best team out there to win now. If Vick gives them a better chance from a football standpoint, he should be the guy.

I know this is supposed to be a football only thread, but I can't help but think if Vick had a clean past those that assert Kolb is the better choice football-wise would be singing a different tune.

**ChiefSalsa** · 09-16-2010, 11:52 AM

How many times has Vick one bounced an easy 3rd and 5 pass in his career? Somehow that does not make the highlight reel---even though it happens 10x more than those great scrambles.

Vick sucks. Kolb sucks. Where is Bobby Hoying when we need him?

**OGrey** · 09-16-2010, 12:02 PM