Is this Fair Housing?

**Giavella Water** · 09-22-2012, 08:10 PM

Housing Project For Elderly Gays Gets Approval In Philadelphia « CBS Philly

**walnuthill** · 09-22-2012, 08:16 PM

Yes.

"Anti-discrimination laws prohibit gay-only housing, but projects can be made friendly toward gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people through marketing and location. The nation’s first gay-friendly affordable senior housing facility opened in Los Angeles in 2007."

If you don't want to live in a building with a bunch of old queens who just want to get old together in peace, then don't. Pretty simple.

**Gladys** · 09-22-2012, 08:22 PM

Gee i don't know what about all the other public housing put in neighborhoods of a particular ethnic group... being gay is very similar. So they are putting one in the gayborhood. YAY! About time. It's desperately needed. I'm sure if you applied and met the qualifications which according to the article doesn't necessarily mean being gay you could live there. I guarantee you it will be the neatest and best decorated senior home in the city.

**BALLZ2BHERE** · 09-22-2012, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by walnuthill

Yes.

"Anti-discrimination laws prohibit gay-only housing, but projects can be made friendly toward gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people through marketing and location. The nation’s first gay-friendly affordable senior housing facility opened in Los Angeles in 2007."

If you don't want to live in a building with a bunch of old queens who just want to get old together in peace, then don't. Pretty simple.

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**Giavella Water** · 09-22-2012, 08:35 PM

Well...it makes one wonder wht makes a senior home 'gay friendly' compared to an unfriendly one?

Ihaven't heard of any widespread discrimination against gays in senior centers. I haven't heard of any gay bashing in senior centers. Also if it's designed to be 'gay friendly' then how is it not 'straight unfriendly'?

**Naveen** · 09-22-2012, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Giavella Water

Well...it makes one wonder wht makes a senior home 'gay friendly' compared to an unfriendly one?

Ihaven't heard of any widespread discrimination against gays in senior centers. I haven't heard of any gay bashing in senior centers. Also if it's designed to be 'gay friendly' then how is it not 'straight unfriendly'?

Because it can be both "gay-friendly" and "straight-friendly" at the same time. Though you wouldn't recognize it that way, since you're probably a homophobic douche and any place that makes gay people comfortable probably makes you uncomfortable.

**walnuthill** · 09-22-2012, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Giavella Water

Ihaven't heard of any widespread discrimination against gays in senior centers. I haven't heard of any gay bashing in senior centers.

You're right. Old people are really open-minded and welcoming--they love people who are different from themselves and welcome change.

**Gladys** · 09-22-2012, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Giavella Water

Well...it makes one wonder wht makes a senior home 'gay friendly' compared to an unfriendly one?

Ihaven't heard of any widespread discrimination against gays in senior centers. I haven't heard of any gay bashing in senior centers. Also if it's designed to be 'gay friendly' then how is it not 'straight unfriendly'?

Do you know any gay people or ever been around a group. They are highly discriminated against and don't want to have to deal with it in old age. It will be gay friendly because people will expect that gay people will live there and won't have to deal with religious and other prejudices.

That means its gay and straight friendly because it's simply assuring both will be accepted.

Why am i bothering to answer this. It's clear you are just trolling.

**Giavella Water** · 09-22-2012, 11:49 PM

To all the nerveens who threw a hissy fit because I threw some legitimate questions out there, you still haven't answered my one question that I would really like answered.

I'll try again. What...makes...a...senior...citizen...home...'gay friendly'?

Besides it just being called 'gay friendly' , which by law gives the appearance of descrimination against straights, why not just market it as open to all people regardless of race, color, creed and sexual orientation?

I'm sure that just calling it 'gay friendly' won't guarantee that some homophobe won't run over a gay with his/her Hov-around.

**Giavella Water** · 09-22-2012, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Gladys

Do you know any gay people or ever been around a group. They are highly discriminated against and don't want to have to deal with it in old age. It will be gay friendly because people will expect that gay people will live there and won't have to deal with religious and other prejudices.

That means its gay and straight friendly because it's simply assuring both will be accepted.

Why am i bothering to answer this. It's clear you are just trolling.

I assume that any other senior citizen home that doesn't use your logic is discriminatory?

Is that what your saying?

**thoth** · 09-23-2012, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Giavella Water

To all the nerveens who threw a hissy fit because I threw some legitimate questions out there, you still haven't answered my one question that I would really like answered.

I'll try again. What...makes...a...senior...citizen...home...'gay friendly'?

Besides it just being called 'gay friendly' , which by law gives the appearance of descrimination against straights, why not just market it as open to all people regardless of race, color, creed and sexual orientation?

I'm sure that just calling it 'gay friendly' won't guarantee that some homophobe won't run over a gay with his/her Hov-around.

It's in the middle of the gayborhood and I imagine most of the marketing for the units will be done through non-profits that support the gay community, ie the william way center et al.

**Giavella Water** · 09-23-2012, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by thoth

It's in the middle of the gayborhood and I imagine most of the marketing for the units will be done through non-profits that support the gay community, ie the william way center et al.

Well I will be interested if they include the fair housing symbol in their advertisements. I will also be interested about the interview process and if any discriminatory questions will be issued since it sounds like they are trying to fill it up with gays or at least a majority of gays.

**walnuthill** · 09-23-2012, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Giavella Water

I'll try again. What...makes...a...senior...citizen...home...'gay friendly'?

1. The elderly people who will end up living there will more than likely be LGBT or very comfortable having LGBT neighbors.

2. The staff who work there will be trained to be LGBT-friendly and (if applicable) knowledgeable of LGBT resources for seniors.

Since you seem to have a lot of difficulty imagining what it's like to walk in another person's shoes, I will explain what this might mean to an older LGBT person who has experienced discrimination throughout their life: there will be no need to hide, no need to "tone things down" (e.g. not give your partner a kiss goodbye in the lobby, not hold hands in the elevator, or do other normal things heterosexual couples never have to think twice about). For single elderly folks who are interested in growing old with a partner, the chances of them finding someone within this community is much greater than in a typical senior community.

**Naveen** · 09-23-2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Giavella Water

Well I will be interested if they include the fair housing symbol in their advertisements. I will also be interested about the interview process and if any discriminatory questions will be issued since it sounds like they are trying to fill it up with gays or at least a majority of gays.

Why are you obsessed with old gay people?

**thesomersteam** · 09-23-2012, 12:05 PM

The big picture with this area is that it is SO much nicer and more developed versus 10 years ago. Has come a long long way. New projects and development like this will keep the momentum going for sure.

**OffenseTaken** · 09-23-2012, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Giavella Water

I will also be interested about the interview process and if any discriminatory questions will be issued since it sounds like they are trying to fill it up with gays or at least a majority of gays.

It's not like they're making prospective tenants watch porn so they can watch their arousal levels. All they have to do is tell old folks they're gonna be neighbors with a bunch of Quentin Crisps, and most will take a pass. A few straights will be cool with it (i.e. grannies), but considering we're talking about the geriatrics crowd, this will be very few.

There's even a good number of old gays who would be uninterested. I don't see the need for getting worked up over this.

**Giavella Water** · 09-23-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Naveen

Why are you obsessed with old gay people?

I'm obsessed with fairness for ALL people. I feel that a housing complex should advertise itself as 'friendly' to EVERYONE.
This '(fill in the blank) friendly' nonsense is just code words for the limiting of all other groups except for the targeted special people.

Most of the posters on here are truly Orwellian and it is just so sad.

**sharkey** · 09-23-2012, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by BALLZ2BHERE

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NO! What are you quoting here? You cannot express a preference for a particular group.

**sharkey** · 09-23-2012, 01:53 PM

[QUOTE=walnuthill;534390]Yes.

"Anti-discrimination laws prohibit gay-only housing, but projects can be made friendly toward gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people through marketing and location. The nation’s first gay-friendly affordable senior housing facility opened in Los Angeles in 2007."

If you don't want to live in a building with a bunch of old queens who just want to get old together in peace, then don't. Pretty simple.[/QUOTE

How about if someone said "This building is being markete4d towards heteros/whites/Catholics and if you don't want to live in a building with heteros/whites/Catholics, then don't apply here? Think that would fly? Not " pretty simple."