Should Parents be expected to Respect their children?

[Sycamore]

you must be a baby boomer.
oh so let me get this straight.....everyone else then was chained up and forced into labour camps with a smile imprinted on their faces???
had to be a better time than right now...crap...I'd go back to the 80s at least if I could.

Nope. My parents are boomers.

[Dolemite]

not to digress...but I laugh when I hear "this is not the 1950s". Was the 1950s really that bad?
Were people chained and forced to be happy all the time? To tell you the truth, I in my early 40s, and I think
or it seems to me, things were better and alot simpler back then.

Hell you don't even know. All I know is that generation of kids were the most coddled as a group then any other children in history and they still think they should get everything they want as a bunch of old geezers.

[FKD19124]

oh and let me guess, it was total hell for them..

Nope. My parents are boomers.

[FKD19124]

the baby boomers.
my parents were late teens/early 20s during the 50s and they were happy.

Kids today are the most coddled in my opinion.

Hell you don't even know. All I know is that generation of kids were the most coddled as a group then any other children in history and they still think they should get everything they want as a bunch of old geezers.

[annie]

had to be a better time than right now...crap...I'd go back to the 80s at least if I could.

"[Time machines] are exclusively a white privilege."

[FKD19124]

whats race have to do with it?

"[Time machines] are exclusively a white privilege."

[FKD19124]

Here's something interesting I found online at America 1950 vs. America 2012


Would you rather live in the America of 1950 or the America of 2012? Has the United States changed for the better over the last 62 years? Many fondly remember the 1950s and the 1960s as the "golden age" of America. We emerged from World War II as the wealthiest and most powerful nation on the planet. During that time period, just about anyone that wanted to get a job could find a job and the U.S. middle class expanded rapidly. Back in 1950, America was still considered to be a "land of opportunity" and the economy was growing like crazy. There was less crime, there was less divorce, the American people had much less debt and the world seemed a whole lot less crazy. Most of the rest of the world deeply admired us and wanted to be more like us. Of course there were a lot of things that were not great about America back in 1950, and there are many things that many of us dearly love that we would have to give up in order to go back and live during that time. For example, there was no Internet back in 1950. Instead of being able to go online and read the articles that you want to read, your news would have been almost entirely controlled by the big media companies of the day. So there are definitely some advantages that we have today that they did not have back in 1950. But not all of the changes have been for the better. America is in a constant state of change, and many are deeply concerned about where all of these changes are taking us.

There has never been any society in the history of the world that has been perfect. America was flawed in 1950 just as America is flawed today.

But that doesn't mean that we should not reflect on how much things have changed over the past 62 years.

So which version of America would you rather live in?

America 1950 vs. America 2012 - you make the call....

In 1950, a gallon of gasoline cost about 27 cents.

In 2012, a gallon of gasoline costs $3.69.

In 1950, you could buy a first-class stamp for just 3 cents.

In 2012, a first-class stamp will cost you 45 cents.

In 1950, more than 80 percent of all men were employed.

In 2012, less than 65 percent of all men are employed.

In 1950, the average duration of unemployment was about 12 weeks.

In 2012, the average duration of unemployment is about 40 weeks.

In 1950, the average family spent about 22% of its income on housing.

In 2012, the average family spends about 43% of its income on housing.

In 1950, gum chewing and talking in class were some of the major disciplinary problems in our schools.

In 2012, many of our public schools have been equipped with metal detectors because violence has become so bad.

In 1950, mothers decided what their children would eat for lunch.

In 2012, lunches are inspected by government control freaks to make sure that they contain the "correct foods" in many areas of the country. For example, one 4-year-old girl recently had her lunch confiscated by a "lunch monitor" because it did not meet USDA guidelines....

A preschooler at West Hoke Elementary School ate three chicken nuggets for lunch Jan. 30 because the school told her the lunch her mother packed was not nutritious.

The girl’s turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the person who was inspecting all lunch boxes in the More at Four classroom that day.

The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs - including in-home day care centers - to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home.

In 1950, the United States was #1 in GDP per capita.

In 2012, the United States is #13 in GDP per capita.

In 1950, redistribution of wealth was considered to be something that "the communists" did.

In 2012, the U.S. government redistributes more wealth than anyone else in the world.

In 1950, about 13 million Americans had manufacturing jobs.

In 2012, less than 12 million Americans have manufacturing jobs even though our population has more than doubled since 1950.

In 1950, the entire U.S. military was mobilized to protect the borders of South Korea.

In 2012, the U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada are wide open and now there are 1.4 million gang members living inside the United States.

In 1950, there were about 2 million people living in Detroit and it was one of the greatest cities on earth.

In 2012, there are about 700,000 people living in Detroit and it has become a symbol of what is wrong with the U.S. economy.

In 1950, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was slightly over the 200 mark.

In 2012, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is threatening to soar over the 13,000 mark.

In 1950, corporate taxes accounted for about 30 percent of all federal revenue.

In 2012, corporate taxes will account for less than 7 percent of all federal revenue.

In 1950, the median age at first marriage was about 22 for men and about 20 for women.

In 2012, the median age at first marriage is about 28 for men and about 26 for women.

In 1950, many Americans dressed up in suits and dresses before getting on an airplane.

In 2012, security goons look at the exposed forms of our women and our children before they are allowed to get on to an airplane.

In 1950, each retiree's Social Security benefit was paid for by 16 workers.

In 2012, each retiree's Social Security benefit is paid for by approximately 3.3 workers.

In 1950, many Americans regularly left their cars and the front doors of their homes unlocked.

In 2012, many Americans live with steel bars on their windows and gun sales are at record highs.

In 1950, the American people had a great love for the U.S. Constitution.

In 2012, if you are "reverent of individual liberty", you may get labeled as a potential terrorist by the U.S. government.

In 1950, the United States loaned more money to the rest of the world than anybody else.

In 2012, the United States owes more money to the rest of the world than anybody else.

In 1950, the U.S. national debt was about 257 billion dollars.

In 2012, the U.S. national debt is 59 times larger. It is currently sitting at a grand total of $15,435,694,556,033.29. Surely our children and our grandchildren will thank us for that.

One of the only things that is constant in life is change.

Whether we like it or not, America is going to continue to change.

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, about 70 percent of all American adults were married.

Today, only about 50 percent of all American adults are married.

We are more independent, less religious, more addicted to entertainment and more doped up on prescription drugs than Americans used to be.

We have a higher standard of living than Americans in 1950 did, but we are also drowning in an ocean of debt unlike anything the world has ever seen.

For a lot more on how the U.S. economy is doing in 2012, just check out this list of interesting facts.

So is America 2012 a better version than America 1950 was?

Have we made progress since then or are we going backwards?

Hell you don't even know. All I know is that generation of kids were the most coddled as a group then any other children in history and they still think they should get everything they want as a bunch of old geezers.

[radiocolin]

Fw: Fw: re: fwd: Fw: god bless AMERICA. TIMES SURE WERE SIMPLER. pass it
On to save our country!

[Sycamore]

whats race have to do with it?

[billy ross]

I'm 23 and today I was eating out with some friends. Next to us was a family, and the child, about 11, was telling his Mom and Grandmom how he loves subways and his grandmother intereppted him without saying excuse me and started a different converstation. The little boy said "Grandmom i was speaking" and his mother chimned in and said" It' doesn't matter, she's an adult, your a child" I felt so bad for that boy.
So do you think parents should respect children?

My daughter is 11 and my older son is 9. If we are hanging out as a family and he is speaking and I interrupt, he raises his voice and says "Excuse me, I was speaking". This is a kid whose stories are long-winded and meandering, and this happens almost every day. Our rule is that we take turns speaking, and if there is a conflict then the person with the floor gets to decide whether they are finished or not. If they are unwilling to yield then they may go on until they are willing to yield.

[FKD19124]

this did not define the 50s

[ShoshTrvls]

So telling a kid to shutup because he's a child just because he's a child?
Mind you, the boy was telling his family how he enjoys train.

Children should been seen not heard is a stupid outdated rule.

I think this is a difficult situation -- there are generational issues here, and who knows how "with it" grandma is. So, the better response from the parent might have been,

"Johnny, I know you were talking, and we can talk about subways later. Grandma wants to say something now and we should let her do that."

This shows respect for both the child and the grandmother.

[ShoshTrvls]

[deleted b/c my point was already made by Sycamore and others]

[enyo]

this did not define the 50s

Maybe not, but i think what they are saying is that the sentiment that the 50's were better and easier isn't shared by all.
The 1950's to 2012 article is interesting but I think a lot of progress has been made since the 50's.

[OldMama]

Chris, my comment that children model themselves after their parents was meant to suggest that if these parents are rude to their kids, they'll get a rude kid in return. I meant that I want my kids to respect me so I respect them. And I want my kids to be polite and respectful because it's what they've grown up with and what is right, not because I scream at them or whack them upside the head.

I taught kids who were whacked for misbehavior but never praised for good behavior or told what appropriate behavior is. That's what makes a problem kid. My parents may have whacked my baby boomer butt but they also taught proper behavior. There's a difference.

[FKD19124]

Progress was always being made even before the 1950s.

Maybe not, but i think what they are saying is that the sentiment that the 50's were better and easier isn't shared by all.
The 1950's to 2012 article is interesting but I think a lot of progress has been made since the 50's.

[2happy4u]

The word is rampant, mister one extreme or the other.



I think there is a certain limit. You don't want to crush curiosity and bright-eyed ness. And you certainly don't want to teach your kids that interrupting is OK. A child's curiosity should be indulged and nurtured.

But sometimes you just want them to shut up for 5 minutes. He may have already told them 20 times that day why he likes the subway.

But your description just makes the mom and grandmother sound like rude jerks.

bright eyed ness??? mister everything is gray. Kids lack respect for their parents and elders. IMO it's because parents "respect" them before they learn respect. Now the brats believe they have control and with a melt down they can get what ever they want. When adults are talking it should be automatic that the child fade away and play with his happy meal.

[FKD19124]

but I think a lot of progress has been made since the 50's.

Actually we still need to make some more progress....

[radiocolin]

bright eyed ness??? mister everything is gray. Kids lack respect for their parents and elders. IMO it's because parents "respect" them before they learn respect. Now the brats believe they have control and with a melt down they can get what ever they want. When adults are talking it should be automatic that the child fade away and play with his happy meal.

I like how you have drawn the conclusion that kids today have no respect because they aren't told to shut up.

Why have a kid if you don't want to interact with them?

The best is when I see a guy impressing himself intellectually by having this huge conversation with a 2 yr. old who wants a water ice.

Clearly you're just a miserable curmudgeon when it comes to kids.

[2happy4u]

Interaction is a great thing. But letting kids hold the upper hand in adult situations is not. When children are young they should be taught how to respect people, what it means. Not I'll respect my 4yo. so he will respect me. Having raised several children, all with impeccable character I may add, I see the mistakes many, many parents make.