125 Sansom Walkway - a.k.a. 125 S. Second Street - Recess

[MTEMPLE]

We filed a PTI on May 12th, 2011. This posting announces the change of officers, but it appears that all the same licensees remain associated with this license. This particular location has required that the Philadelphia Police respond to 29 disturbances in the past 12 months. It is evident that establishment could benefit from some operational guidance that might be provided via a CLA at the premises.


Source: OCCA

[loveisnoise]

29 in 12 months? How the hell was it not noted as a trouble bar yet? That's nuts.

[desolate]

29 in 12 months? How the hell was it not noted as a trouble bar yet? That's nuts.

the cops come 2-3 times a month.

Isn't that fairly low?

Open 30 days. 2 troublemakers a month.

[loveisnoise]

Man, do you ever get off googled assumptions and actually look into what you spout? They are not open 30 days a month. Do you even know what place this is? It is the after hours club that is only open some thursdays, friday, and saturday-so no, that's not fairly low considering that is only the calls that get dealt with. Many more go unanswered or the problem runs off before cops are called.

the cops come 2-3 times a month.

Isn't that fairly low?

Open 30 days. 2 troublemakers a month.

[MTEMPLE]

Open 4 nights a week.

[loveisnoise]

BTW-if you get two calls in a year, that is enough to be considered a potential nuisance.

[desolate]

BTW-if you get two calls in a year, that is enough to be considered a potential nuisance.

SO wait.

2 police visits to a bar a year is a nuisance bar?

[loveisnoise]

It will be put on a list of potential nuisance bars, yes. This came up as conversation during a community meeting some time ago, because bars would call in things that had nothing to do with them(such as calling in to report an unrelated fight across the street), and then that call would get wrapped up into a report that would look like the problem emanated from the bar. The bars said, "if you're going to hold that against us, we're not calling in problems anymore".

SO wait.

2 police visits to a bar a year is a nuisance bar?

[mrpeanut]

Not that I question the figure presented, but does anyone know how OCCA arrived at the stat that PPD responded to 29 disturbances?

[loveisnoise]

Not that I question the figure presented, but does anyone know how OCCA arrived at the stat that PPD responded to 29 disturbances?

They counted the broken heels and pulled hair weaves by the curb, within a 50 ft. perimeter.

[snick33]

How many of these issues actually occur in the club? I have never heard or seen a disturbance inside. Usually it is someone that wasn't let in for a certain reason and its the CLUB that calls the police. Why should they be punished for reporting disturbances to the police? What if the bouncers just assaulted people instead of calling the police?

At many nightlife spots, the problem has been Security removing people or not letting a possible disturbance inside, only to have that person cause an issue elsewhere (ie our neighborhood). I personally believe the police should be called if someone is a liability to others. Harassing a business for calling the police on their own location to avoid a confrontation when someone is outside causing problems should not be on the OCCA's priority list.

[MTEMPLE]

Does the management keep it's own incident reports ? If it doesn't that shows it's lack of experience.

[loveisnoise]

Does the management keep it's own incident reports ? If it doesn't that shows it's lack of experience.

Exactly. When I went there before, I left in about 15 minutes because the crowd was idiotic and the bouncers and door guys were soprano wannabes-this was more than 2 years ago, so I am not reflecting anything about their demeanor today.

I will say, however, that nearly 30 calls to one location is ridiculous. It shows that people are hopped up on booze and out of control. The OCCA is not asking for them to be shut down-merely that a conditional agreement be achieved-which could include that they keep reports of any incidents.

[mrpeanut]

They counted the broken heels and pulled hair weaves by the curb, within a 50 ft. perimeter.

Might actually not be a bad indicator. I was wondering as I think it would be interesting to see what kinda numbers other bars get.

[loveisnoise]

Might actually not be a bad indicator. I was wondering as I think it would be interesting to see what kinda numbers other bars get.

On a serious note-I think that this information is kept at the district level. For south street, I know the 3rd district ministation lt. keeps the info for south street bars. It is more of an address by address database, and when the same address keeps popping up, the perceived 'nuisance' becomes obvious from a database perspective. From that point, further investigations generally occur-including the always fun visit from L&I.

[snick33]

Exactly. When I went there before, I left in about 15 minutes because the crowd was idiotic and the bouncers and door guys were soprano wannabes-this was more than 2 years ago, so I am not reflecting anything about their demeanor today.

Just an FYI (I know you weren't saying its like that today)...Recess hasn't even been open for 2 yrs (with new owners and management). Also the security are all black which I don't remember on the Sopranos...

[loveisnoise]

Just an FYI (I know you weren't saying its like that today)...Recess hasn't even been open for 2 yrs (with new owners and management). Also the security are all black which I don't remember on the Sopranos...

Oh come on. It has been an after hours club for over 10 years. I don't care what childish name is slapped on it, is is still a cave after hours spot that old city drunks go to get drunker and attempt to get an STD. I clearly said that I hadn't been there for more than 2 years... I also have very little faith that the place has changed that much in such an environment. That many calls in an isolated area away from other bars is obviously a problem. And all of their security is black? Seems a bit racist to me. And if you've never seen black people acting like the mafia? Well, then you obviously haven't seen modern culture since they tend to use more Scarface and Godfather references than any other clique.

[fsmith]

We filed a PTI on May 12th, 2011. This posting announces the change of officers, but it appears that all the same licensees remain associated with this license. This particular location has required that the Philadelphia Police respond to 29 disturbances in the past 12 months. It is evident that establishment could benefit from some operational guidance that might be provided via a CLA at the premises.


Source: OCCA

Good for the OCCA. I'm glad that they are on top of this kind of bad business. Job well done.

[MTEMPLE]

As I remember reading in another thread that snick33 is a friend of the owners I was wondering if they kept their own incident records ? If they did it's easy to dispute any misinformation by the PPD or PLCB. But if a lot of those reports are filed after 2:15am since they are the only after hour establishment in Old City I would be inclined to believe the accusers.