Northwood Hires Its Own Patrol

**nickster** · 08-12-2012, 04:08 PM

More questions: Is this guy working as an independent contractor? If so, does he have a BP license and is he paying BP taxes to the city? Is he paying quarterly estimated payments to the Dept. of the Treasury and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania for his federal and state taxes?

Also, to whom are the participating neighbors making their checks payable to?

**nickster** · 08-12-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Highway

98% of this police department is completely reactive.

So true. So why is this tolerated by the police hierarchy and our mayor???

**Highway** · 08-12-2012, 04:56 PM

Cops aren't required to "do" anything other than answer the radio and show up for work.

Welfare to work is a mofo

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**Bixbyte** · 08-12-2012, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Highway

Cops aren't required to "do" anything other than answer the radio and show up for work.

Welfare to work is a mofo

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Badges, We don't need no stinkin badges

**darthsinatra** · 08-12-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Highway

Cops aren't required to "do" anything other than answer the radio and show up for work.

Welfare to work is a mofo

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You can't be serious.

**Highway** · 08-12-2012, 09:08 PM

Sure am

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**darthsinatra** · 08-12-2012, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Highway

Sure am

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I am hoping/guessing you're not a cop, but if you are, please either post or PM me your district and badge number so we can be sure to avoid you.

**lemko** · 08-13-2012, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Bixbyte

Hey HW,
Yes He sports nice chevrons with tassels.
But, I only see police giving out traffice tickets not as a deterrent of crime.
Police only answer to the call of 911 after the crime is committed, 20-20 hindsight.
There is no one around but "tassel man" to deter crime.
More power to this brave soldier. <g>
_____________________________________________

Funny you should say that. If cops weren't so busy being "revenue collection agents" hitting up people for minor speeding violations and such, they could be out there protecting the public from real bad guys. I guess the young kid in his old Civic going 5 mph over the speed limit is more of a threat to public safety than the hoodlums slingin' rocks on the corner and shooting each other over drug turf while holding their own neighborhoods under siege.

**Highway** · 08-13-2012, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

I am hoping/guessing you're not a cop, but if you are, please either post or PM me your district and badge number so we can be sure to avoid you.

Why would you say that?

Are you a criminal yourself?

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**darthsinatra** · 08-13-2012, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Highway

Why would you say that?

Are you a criminal yourself?

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If you are a cop, I would want to avoid you because your statement above indicates that you are corrupt, lazy and not very bright, so the chances of you being able to help someone like me are pretty slim.

If I were a criminal, I would definitely want to know who you are and where you work so I could do my thing knowing I have little chance of being caught with you on the job.

Whether you're a cop or a civilian, your post was heinous.

**seand** · 08-13-2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by lemko

Funny you should say that. If cops weren't so busy being "revenue collection agents" hitting up people for minor speeding violations and such, they could be out there protecting the public from real bad guys. I guess the young kid in his old Civic going 5 mph over the speed limit is more of a threat to public safety than the hoodlums slingin' rocks on the corner and shooting each other over drug turf while holding their own neighborhoods under siege.

Really?

I feel like Phila PD doesn't bother with stuff like this at all. They barely take interest in Quality of Life types of stuff at all. Basically if it does not involve shots fired, its sometimes feels like "well you could file a report . . . if you really want to."

**Highway** · 08-13-2012, 11:28 AM

Lemko is still dreaming of the days he cruised the Roosevelt Mall in his Grand national

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**Mayfair** · 08-13-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Highway

Just from personal experience.... this is a sham.

He is merely a civilian masquerading as security and taking peoples hard earned money in the mean time.

Originally Posted by Highway

Voice your concerns to CO15. Not me. I agree that the district cops arent doing much.... trust me, I know.

98% of this police department is completely reactive. However, patrol is inundated with nonsensical calls for service that really should not have a uniformed officer dispatched to. 311 did not work out like it was supposed to... in fact, its a failure. That does not excuse the poor performance of the police, rather it offers a glimpse of a political faction who realizes that something needed to be done to lessen the burden on 911 and patrol.

From someone who has worked the most crime/drug/gun ridden areas of the city, the fact that cops routinely fail to be proactive is more disturbing to me than it is frustrating to you.

Cops asked to be cops. I don't know of one cop who was "recruited" to become a cop. A cop either has it or he/she doesn't. Sadly, many don't now.

I really appreciate your chiming in and offering first hand insight to Northwoods problem. I mean that sincerely!

Question - What would you offer as an alternative to what Northwood is doing?

With the 15th district being the biggest and busiest district in the city with a police force being REactive rather than PRO active, the citizens of Northwood (and other neighborhoods) have asked for help several times and have gotten none. What would you offer as a realistic solution to the problem?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm serious. These neighbors and others want help!

Thanks Highway!

**Highway** · 08-13-2012, 12:39 PM

If I was able to offer a solution to your problem, I surely wouldn't be posting on a forum. I'd be making serious money as a police executive.

In all seriousness, if you contact your PSA lieutenant and express your concerns, he or she should be able to offer some help. Bike patrols, foot beats... something more than regular patrol.

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**gigster** · 08-13-2012, 02:30 PM

We had a minor incident on our street about 10 days ago. A police Lieutenant was off duty and phoned the problem in. It took almost 2 hours for a car to come out and this was on a Thursday evening. If they won't send someone out when an officer calls in what chances does anyone have short of being held at gunpoint to get a car out. Very disheartening.

**Highway** · 08-13-2012, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

If you are a cop, I would want to avoid you because your statement above indicates that you are corrupt, lazy and not very bright, so the chances of you being able to help someone like me are pretty slim.

If I were a criminal, I would definitely want to know who you are and where you work so I could do my thing knowing I have little chance of being caught with you on the job.

Whether you're a cop or a civilian, your post was heinous.

You seem to have a mental disorder. Perhaps friends hospital could help you.

**Bixbyte** · 08-13-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by darthsinatra

I am hoping/guessing you're not a cop, but if you are, please either post or PM me your district and badge number so we can be sure to avoid you.

Hey darthsinatra aka anti-semantic your ISP number is available on this board.
That means, if requested by law enforcement agents, they can know where you live.
How many places did you rob?
Date, place and time would be helpful.

**Hospitalitygirl** · 08-13-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Highway

Who would be threatened by a $40/month civilian who isn't empowered to take any action?

You can dress a monkey in his uniform (which has Sergeant chevrons and admittedly nobody to supervise) and it would be just as effective.

The fact of the matter is that this whacker is playing on peoples sense of insecurity in a crime-ridden area. He will only get himself hurt or arrested for gun charges.

An Act235 certification is to provide armed security... not to patrol public streets.

If payment is indeed a "donation" as you said it is, then he isn't actually employed by anyone.

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The idea of "private security" is less than appealing and the more I think about this, the less enthused I become. There are just too many problems with this scenario.

Originally Posted by Highway

Voice your concerns to CO15. Not me. I agree that the district cops arent doing much.... trust me, I know.

98% of this police department is completely reactive. However, patrol is inundated with nonsensical calls for service that really should not have a uniformed officer dispatched to. 311 did not work out like it was supposed to... in fact, its a failure. That does not excuse the poor performance of the police, rather it offers a glimpse of a political faction who realizes that something needed to be done to lessen the burden on 911 and patrol.

From someone who has worked the most crime/drug/gun ridden areas of the city, the fact that cops routinely fail to be proactive is more disturbing to me than it is frustrating to you.

Cops asked to be cops. I don't know of one cop who was "recruited" to become a cop. A cop either has it or he/she doesn't. Sadly, many don't now.

Having said that- this security guy, and the people who buy into it are on a pipe dream if they think this is a good idea.

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Newsflash--98% of most police work is reactive. There really isn't that much to do that is proactive that doesn't run afoul of some group or other blaming institutional racism among a host of other issues, and won't end up in court.

Sadly, for a job that requires so much interaction with the public, and some basic PR skills, you fail at all. Particularly the ability to communicate without pissing the people off that would generally support you.

Try again.

**Highway** · 08-13-2012, 09:11 PM

I will respectfully disagree with you. I have arrested countless people for carrying guns, dealing drugs, robberies, stolen cars/motorcycles... you name it.

Arresting a criminal based on what is observed rather than reported to 911 is proactive police work and is quite effective when you empower a motivated, ethical, honest and aggressive police officer.

It is impossible to quantify the crime that has been deterred by mere presence of a police car let alone the cop who actually gets out of the car and interacts with the criminal element... and I'm not referring to officer friendly making nice nice with the drug boys on the corner as he walks by whistling.

I have put many, many people behind bars for the crimes they have committed. Was it all due to proactive patrol? No, but the vast majority was.

**Mayfair** · 08-14-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Highway

I will respectfully disagree with you. I have arrested countless people for carrying guns, dealing drugs, robberies, stolen cars/motorcycles... you name it.

Arresting a criminal based on what is observed rather than reported to 911 is proactive police work and is quite effective when you empower a motivated, ethical, honest and aggressive police officer.

It is impossible to quantify the crime that has been deterred by mere presence of a police car let alone the cop who actually gets out of the car and interacts with the criminal element... and I'm not referring to officer friendly making nice nice with the drug boys on the corner as he walks by whistling.

I have put many, many people behind bars for the crimes they have committed. Was it all due to proactive patrol? No, but the vast majority was.

Thank You!!