Fois

**Stingray66** · 06-06-2012, 09:07 AM

Well after waiting for years I finally have fios its now in homesburg and some parts in mayfair
the picture on the tv is amazing and my internet is super fast

anyone thinking about it ( go for it You will love it)
the only thing is WHY did it take so long
100 times better than comcast and 100 times better than directive and the best part NO MORE losing my tv on rainy days

**fstrthnthwrld** · 06-06-2012, 09:23 AM

You're lucky you got it at all..

Verizon and Comcast struck some shady deals to promote each other's services,.. part of the deal was that Verizon would stop expanding their FiOs network.
source: Verizon to Tell U.S. Comcast Deal Causes No Consumer Harm - Bloomberg

I was hoping to get it for the 4 years I lived in Holmesburg and now I live in Wissinoming and probably have no chance at ever seeing it. Ah well,.. enjoy!

**dcss1205** · 06-06-2012, 09:31 AM

Ignoreing the supposed Shady Deals, my recollection is that the build-out of the infrastructure was slated at 7 years.
An infrastructure build out does not occur overnight, think for a moment about the signal path from the head-end, through a central office or new addition, and into a neighborhood.
A FIOS install can take 2-4 hours per household. Do the math.

I did pro bono work on 2 suburban municipal cable franchise aggreement, which by FCC law is a 36 month process.
The build-out of a 22 sq. mi., 7000 resident, 2300 home municipality was 3 years, and that is for aerial drop cables and easy trenching.
A build-out in an existing municipality, just with the 3 day wait before trenching seems to be on schedule.

**Mayfair** · 06-06-2012, 12:34 PM

Unfortunately I don't think it's made it's way down Rowland ave yet, but I'm waiting. I've heard nothing but good things about it so far.

**gigster** · 06-06-2012, 04:58 PM

I have family members who work for Verizon and the company is not really happy with the success of FIOS. There is still no contract between Verizon and their union workers and Verizon wants none and they want to totally get rid of anything to do with cable and focus on wireless and the new thing 4G. People throughout the city can't wait for it but Verizon is determined to make it fail. Keep calling and asking for it. We can't get it either.

**Stingray66** · 06-06-2012, 06:46 PM

Unfortunately I don't think it's made it's way down Rowland ave yet, but I'm waiting. I've heard nothing but good things about it so far

Yes it has they were out there today
as far as Verizon wants to get rid of
fios is NOT so my neighbor is the
manager that is getting up and running

**guzzijason** · 06-07-2012, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Stingray66

Yes it has they were out there today
as far as Verizon wants to get rid of
fios is NOT so my neighbor is the
manager that is getting up and running

Unless your neighbor is the CEO of Verizon, it's highly unlikely that he actually knows what the future holds for FIOS:

Verizon shelves plans for future FiOS rollouts, relocations to Massachusetts set to boom -- Engadget

__Jason

**Stingray66** · 06-07-2012, 08:52 PM

NO HE is upper management we talked about this 10 mins ago was told its all B/S
this happens every summer He's been with the company well over 35 years
and seems to know whats going on BUT its no secret that verizon will be getting rid of the union at some point
Just Like the freight company DHL over a two years ago DHL shut down all operations in the USA and was only to do over seas NOW just last week DHL is calling people back BUT they have to sign an agreement that that can't not join a union
And its just start UPS is now looking to rid its self of the union also
Hate to say this BUT its the wave of the future unions are done But I really think they did it to them self
union were once for the working man BUT now its all about greed

**guzzijason** · 06-07-2012, 11:14 PM

Yeah, I realized after I posted the link that the article was really old. We'll see, I guess.

__Jason

**gigster** · 06-08-2012, 06:38 AM

The executives at Verizon are trying to get rid of the union and a lot of the first line management. They probably won't need your Upper Management friend soon either. This is still a free country so it's really unfair to block anyone from unionizing.

**Stingray66** · 06-08-2012, 09:50 AM

It may be unfair BUT it's happening
That is what DHL did they laied
Off every one just to bust the union then rehired every one
And forced them to sign that they can't not
Join a union
As far as my friend he's 63 and about to retried
For verizon Any way
unions years ago were good but today they
Only hurt every one
Unions is what put airborne express
Out of business's

**robkaotic** · 06-08-2012, 11:29 AM

Still not in 19152. Was hoping it would be to end my long suffering with Comcast.

**Stingray66** · 06-08-2012, 01:29 PM

[QUOTE]robkaotic
Still not in 19152. Was hoping it would be to end my long suffering with Comcast./QUOTE

Its coming they are really pushing to get the NE done by Sept
after having it for a few days I will NEVER go back This is so good
and in the long run cheeper

**fstrthnthwrld** · 06-08-2012, 06:10 PM

[QUOTE=Stingray66;502187]

Its coming they are really pushing to get the NE done by Sept
after having it for a few days I will NEVER go back This is so good
and in the long run cheeper

well, i hope this is really true.

i would subscribe to their internet in a heartbeat. i currently have Clear and im not terribly happy with it, but it's either that or comcast and comcast will never get another cent of my money.

**gigster** · 06-08-2012, 06:15 PM

Everyone was pro union until the economy went bad. The only problem is that businesses take advantage of employees without them. Right now it is the politically correct thing to hate them. It will come full circle again when you have companies forcing employees to work overtime without pay, take unpaid sick days, unsafe working conditiions ,etc.

**Jayfar** · 06-08-2012, 06:39 PM

Fois? I thought this thread was about goose livers.

**DocAwesome** · 06-08-2012, 06:49 PM

That was my first thought

**qguy** · 06-11-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by gigster

This is still a free country so it's really unfair to block anyone from unionizing.

What does "this is still a free country" mean?

Many people think it's actually the other way around, that it's unfair to prevent companies from blocking unionization. If someone wants to unionize, they're free to work for a company which is unionized.

Originally Posted by gigster

Everyone was pro union until the economy went bad.

You need to get out more. If everyone were so pro-union unitl the economy went bad, why has the percentage of American employees who are unionized been steadily decreasing since the 1970s? It's because there are a lot of employees—like myself, who are not management—who want nothing to do with unions and never have. Union members may call that foolish, but it just can't be truthfully claimed that "everyone was pro union until the economy went bad." Just ain't so.

**OffenseTaken** · 06-11-2012, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by qguy

What does "this is still a free country" mean?

Many people think it's actually the other way around, that it's unfair to prevent companies from blocking unionization. If someone wants to unionize, they're free to work for a company which is unionized.

You need to get out more. If everyone were so pro-union unitl the economy went bad, why has the percentage of American employees who are unionized been steadily decreasing since the 1970s? It's because there are a lot of employees—like myself, who are not management—who want nothing to do with unions and never have. Union members may call that foolish, but it just can't be truthfully claimed that "everyone was pro union until the economy went bad." Just ain't so.

Coud you let "many people" and "a lot of employees" make their arguments, and you can make your own? Organization is a perfectly lawful activity. So is letting your employees know your low opinion of unions, and so is saying so-and-so is a jerk for trying to dump union workers. And 60 percent of American workers who aren't in management say they would join a union if they could.

**qguy** · 06-11-2012, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by OffenseTaken

Coud you let "many people" and "a lot of employees" make their arguments, and you can make your own?

You're annoyed because you think I'm cosmologizing my own experience? You're kidding, right? No, seriously.

Anyway, that's not what I'm doing. I'm simply noting my own observation over the years.

Originally Posted by OffenseTaken

Organization is a perfectly lawful activity. So is letting your employees know your low opinion of unions, and so is saying so-and-so is a jerk for trying to dump union workers.

Sure organizing is lawful, Never said it wasn't. My point was that it's not unfair for a company to try to prevent employees from unionizing (as long as they do so in a lawful manner).

Originally Posted by OffenseTaken

And 60 percent of American workers who aren't in management say they would join a union if they could.

Used to be over 90%.

Again, my point is a perfectly reasonable one: to say that "everyone was pro union until the economy went bad" is just plain false. It's one of those hyperbolic statements that on its face simply cannot be true. My own experience (with myself and a large percentage—there I go again!—of those I have worked with over the years) serves to bear that out.