Off duty cop murdered

**Swinefeld** · 08-20-2012, 07:09 PM

Somebody out there knows who the trigger man is. Afaic, this person is just as guilty as the trigger man and should do hard time as well. This "no snitchin" crap has got to stop.

Originally Posted by Cya

Any suggestions?

**Jay from Philly** · 08-20-2012, 09:16 PM

Duh bruthas and sistas be runnin' dis city! Day owah in charge! Day owah in charge!

**drewrob23** · 08-22-2012, 07:26 AM

I'm sure that the six figure reward will help get the people involved with this crime. If not that their lifestyle will more than likely lead to a shorter life. I would love to see the police react with such vigiliance when other innocent people are murdered and not just cops.

**Jaysmom** · 08-22-2012, 08:39 AM

Cops do their best to find every suspect of every murder, most of them are just not covered by the media. Of course they are more personally involved and emotionally involved when it's one of their own. I watch the news every day and always feel for the victims of crimes, had it ever been one of my family members or close friends, of course I'd be more upset. It's the way the human mind works. I don't think that most cops try any less to find the suspect of your normal average everyday murder, for lack of a better term.

**drewrob23** · 08-22-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jaysmom

Cops do their best to find every suspect of every murder, most of them are just not covered by the media. Of course they are more personally involved and emotionally involved when it's one of their own. I watch the news every day and always feel for the victims of crimes, had it ever been one of my family members or close friends, of course I'd be more upset. It's the way the human mind works. I don't think that most cops try any less to find the suspect of your normal average everyday murder, for lack of a better term.

I'm sure that seeing a fellow officer fall is definitely a blow to members of the police force, but I highly doubt that they'd react the same way if one of us is murdered. How many times have we found out that people related to cops expect special treatment and usually get it? How many regular people are murdered and half the police force is dispatched to look for evidence and rough up suspects? Some people might be fine with this but it sends a message to people about their worth compared to others in our society. Are the methods used invasive? Yes but if they did that with every victim I'd applaud it and I have a feeling that crime in general would decline because of the stepped up police presence. Maybe money is an issue or indifference but there's definitely a noticable difference.

**Litter Box** · 08-22-2012, 04:20 PM

Ch6 reports that the police have a person of interest in custody.

**Jayfar** · 08-22-2012, 09:31 PM

Man suspected in officer’s murder on probation, failed drug test

Here's his docket sheets:

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/dockets...R-0000848-2008

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/dockets...R-0006181-2012

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/dockets...R-0048545-2007

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/dockets...R-0048546-2007

In Docket Number: CP-51-CR-0000848-2008, he had been in violation of parole and, per the July 25 hearing, was supposed to be under house arrest with electronic monitoring.

Hearing Notice
07/25/2012 Probation/Parole Continued with New Conditions
Schulman, Susan I.
Defendant released to State House Arrest with electronic monitoring for a period of 6 months Must Complete Community Service Must Complete GED Program Must Seek and Maintain employment
Must submit to weekly drug screens Detainer Lifted
ADA: Maureen Holland PD: Rosemary Zeccardi

08/22/2012 Bench Warrant Probation Violation - Issued
Dembe, Pamela Pryor

**Jaysmom** · 08-23-2012, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by drewrob23

I'm sure that seeing a fellow officer fall is definitely a blow to members of the police force, but I highly doubt that they'd react the same way if one of us is murdered. How many times have we found out that people related to cops expect special treatment and usually get it? How many regular people are murdered and half the police force is dispatched to look for evidence and rough up suspects? Some people might be fine with this but it sends a message to people about their worth compared to others in our society. Are the methods used invasive? Yes but if they did that with every victim I'd applaud it and I have a feeling that crime in general would decline because of the stepped up police presence. Maybe money is an issue or indifference but there's definitely a noticable difference.

The only noticeable difference I notice is media coverage.

**Debbie1125** · 08-23-2012, 08:26 AM

Another repeat offender piece of garbage. I knew the person caught would not be a stranger to prison. I heard on the news last night that he was being uncooperative. Too bad the police can't beat his face in a few times anymore. God forbid that would be inhumane and cruel!

**Volanova** · 08-23-2012, 01:20 PM

How the hell was this guy on the street still? He shouldn't have been walking free.

Wonder if the DA will push for the death penalty or life in prison if they get enough evidence to prosecute him.

**drewrob23** · 08-23-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Volanova

How the hell was this guy on the street still? He shouldn't have been walking free.

Wonder if the DA will push for the death penalty or life in prison if they get enough evidence to prosecute him.

This is nothing new. Most people don't jump from cutting school one day, to shooting someone the next. It's a gradual process as these people get arrested, spend a small amount of time in jail and then they re released. After the 7thpeople or 8ththe arrest is it any wonder how they end up committing more violent crimes? The police seem to do a pretty good job locking certain people up. The ball seems to get dropped by the courts with short jail terms and uncooperative witnesses. I'm sure that people will be scruntinizing the last judge who was involved with his case and come election time people will forget.

**mixiboi** · 08-23-2012, 06:47 PM

And with over crowded prisons and no rehabilitation going on the cycle continues....

**Cya** · 08-23-2012, 09:57 PM

Updated Video on Officer Walker's Homicide

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pe...laying.htmlThe latest surveillance footage, released Tuesday, shows the men walking north on 19th Street near Cecil B. Moore Avenue, dressed in shorts, hooded sweatshirts, and sneakers. The images of the men's faces are clearer than in the first video. The man police believe was the shooter has a bald or shaved head and a goatee or beard, and is wearing dark shorts and a light-color hooded sweatshirt

I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like the DA might have an uphill battle convicting these 2 losers if all they have is the grainy video that's been released to the public.
If these 2 videos are the best evidence they have, I think a defense lawyer could easily argue mistaken identity and reasonable doubt, IMO.

Does the city of Philadelphia have any of their own surveillance cameras in the neighborhoods? If not, we should- and they should be higher quality that what some businesses have.

Baltimore has a pretty extensive collection of cameras-and they seem to get results. I know people will argue that we don't need big brother watching us all the time, but if someone is attacked or murdered, and a camera can tell us who did it, I'd be ok with that.

Baltimore City surveillance camera system to expand - Baltimore Sun

**thoth** · 08-23-2012, 10:43 PM

So is there any sense of the motive here or what happened? Was it really just a robbery gone worse or was he targeted because he was a cop?

**Jayfar** · 08-24-2012, 12:00 AM

Police sources: Rafael Jones confesses to officer’s slaying

Posted: Thu, Aug. 23, 2012, 10:38 PM
Police sources: Rafael Jones confesses to officer’s slaying

By Allison Steele, Mark Fazlollah, and Joseph A. Slobodzian
INQUIRER STAFF WRITERS

A 23-year-old Philadelphia man who walked out of prison 10 days before the shooting of city Police Officer Moses Walker Jr. has confessed to killing him, police sources said Thursday night.

[snip]

**Gio7707** · 08-24-2012, 12:24 AM

and thats the problem :

"The whole system is broken," he said. "It's a bureaucratic mess. A very small portion of judges are willing to stand behind police and keep these people in jail, and we're now planning another funeral for a police officer."

Mayor Nutter's spokesman, Mark McDonald, insisted that the city prison system complied with the order.

McDonald did not explain why Jones walked out of prison without electronic monitoring. He said Jones was not freed until two weeks after the judge's order because "officials desired to check with the judge." But he did not say whether the judge had been contacted personally. ???

"We checked to make sure we were doing what the judge wanted," McDonald said, declining to identify the person contacted.

Jones had no GPS device tracking his movements on Saturday, the night police say he and an accomplice stalked Walker, off-duty and in civilian clothes, and shot him dead in a robbery attempt.

**ArcticSplash** · 08-24-2012, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Gio7707

and thats the problem :

"The whole system is broken," he said. "It's a bureaucratic mess. A very small portion of judges are willing to stand behind police and keep these people in jail, and we're now planning another funeral for a police officer."

Mayor Nutter's spokesman, Mark McDonald, insisted that the city prison system complied with the order.

McDonald did not explain why Jones walked out of prison without electronic monitoring. He said Jones was not freed until two weeks after the judge's order because "officials desired to check with the judge." But he did not say whether the judge had been contacted personally. ???

"We checked to make sure we were doing what the judge wanted," McDonald said, declining to identify the person contacted.

Jones had no GPS device tracking his movements on Saturday, the night police say he and an accomplice stalked Walker, off-duty and in civilian clothes, and shot him dead in a robbery attempt.

It's all water under the bridge now that we have a funeral set up for Sunday.

Which is kinda sad because if he did have the GPS device, that would make this case absolutely rock solid and the death penalty would be a cake walk. Who is to say this dude doesn't recant and it becomes a mess of a trial?

As far as Ramsey's claims of very strong evidence (and this confession to back it up)... a jury will be the judge of that if he doesn't plead guilty.

**ILoveBeer** · 08-24-2012, 05:44 AM

Second suspect in cop-killing surrenders

The Grand Mother even buys into the stop snitching mentality

**Jaysmom** · 08-24-2012, 06:25 AM

Great news this morning. Ironic that Grandmom thinks he's such a sweetheart but she didn't want him when he was released.

**torts** · 08-24-2012, 06:44 AM

"Rafael Jones, 23 ... gave a confession to cops Thursday night. ... The confession follows an apparent all-day grilling by homicide detectives who ... had captured Jones in a Southwest Philadelphia public-housing complex."

"Ada Banks, grandmother of the Jones brothers, maintained that Rafael Jones was not involved in the cop's killing. She called him a 'sweetheart.' "It's not like they caught him with a gun," she said. 'He's not cooperating, and I wouldn't either.'"

Second suspect in cop-killing surrenders

public housing. cop-killers. the kid's a sweetheart. grandma.

you can't make this stuff up.