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    Quote Originally Posted by thoth View Post
    I thought you wanted MORE people to come to AC
    what's wrong with a nude beach? AC has long been the adult place, dating back to the 19th c when people took the train down on sundays to escape Philadelphia's blue laws. I'd imagine being one of the only nude beaches around would attract some numbers. I didn't say make them all nude beaches
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldondre View Post
    what's wrong with a nude beach? AC has long been the adult place, dating back to the 19th c when people took the train down on sundays to escape Philadelphia's blue laws. I'd imagine being one of the only nude beaches around would attract some numbers. I didn't say make them all nude beaches
    Nothing is wrong with nude beaches, I was just joking that the average Philly beachgoer probably doesn't have the physique that's going to make a nude beach the most popular attraction. Of course, when I was nude bathing in europe I was mostly accompanied by leathery grandmas, so I guess looks aren't everything...

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    Someone who knows AC well but doesn't go anymore just spent the weekend there and he told me the town is dying. Stores and malls, resturants, casinos, hotels, even the boardwalk were pretty much deserted day and night on a July weekend. I guess a combination of PA casinos and bad economy. (They said the actual beach, which is free, had a good crowd.) As described it all sounded very sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryson662001 View Post
    Someone who knows AC well but doesn't go anymore just spent the weekend there and he told me the town is dying. Stores and malls, resturants, casinos, hotels, even the boardwalk were pretty much deserted day and night on a July weekend. I guess a combination of PA casinos and bad economy. (They said the actual beach, which is free, had a good crowd.) As described it all sounded very sad.
    i just went there friday night to the chelsea which is supposed to be a happening club...

    it was dead... bit of a weird crowd too, they had entire rooms not even filled up. barely anyone was on the dance floor. most people were standing around the pool talking to their friends

    then after that i had no problem playing craps at tropicana. played a 15$ table for some of the night, then it went down to 10$ and played until dawn

    won $255... weeee free night of fun and $100 left over for groceries for the week

    who doesn't love AC? just wish there could've been some cute girls to talk about, oh well

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    yeah that chelsea would get a good crowd when it opened, but not too much anymore. I still stay there when I go down with my buddies because priceline gives me a room there on Friday nights for @ $75.

    I was down for memorial day and saw a lot of good looking girls at the Trop - most were dressed extremely slutty, but I always thought that was par for the course at any casino desination.

    I know AC is doing beach bars and Harrah's has its pool; but the big thing in Vegas for a few years has been the outside pools where all the women mentioned above and guys that look like they are from the Jersey Shore TV show can do whatever it is they do, and pay a lot of money to do it. It seems like AC could one up Vegas and actually put one of these pool clubs on the beach, but with either walls or elevation differences making it private from the everyday beach goers and people on the boardwalk.

    If there's one thing people like to spend their money on these days it's to feel like a VIP.

    I understand it would take some space away from everyday beach goers (like me) but hell the state is taking over anyways and desperate times call for desperate measures.

    As I mentioned I wouldn't even go to such a place (unless it was a bachleor party or something) but I know a lot of people that would.

    Another option would be to have the same kind of club only geared towards families.

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    75 for a room - sweet! if i knew that i would have booked one. i stayed up all night to avoid throwing away 200 bucks

    how far in advance did you have to book it? i feel like that place fills up

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    I took the train down yesterday (I might have tried megabus for $4 less but the train was leaving first). It was an alright ride but I think there's a lot of potential here that is being missed. that $192 million spent in Newark would have gone a long way to making the train a viable option. First, simpy electrifying the line would allow SEPT and Amtrak trains to make AC runs as well as reduce the cost of ACES (one locomotive). Second, the track is still jointed rail and mostly single track. the addition of passing sideings and replacementw with concrete welded rail should allow for significant trip time improvements. (not sure about the signaling here). really, significant double tracks is necessary. this would allow not only for faster Philly-AC trips but might allow for express service and faster AC-NY trips. It also allows for the possibility of specials from the western suburbs (or Harrisburg) directly to AC skipping 30th (perhaps stopping at north philly) that might be competitive with driving. I think if the train is 45 min to AC, it becomes almsot a second nature. They could make bigger trade in late night bars with the young people, during the day, it's a decent FREE beach and boardwalk. they've already come a long way in improving the area between the station and the boardwalk. for all the talk of collapsing revenues, AC hasn't looked better in my lifetime. It is a shame they knocked down so much of the old buildings which, in AC's case, were fairly interesting, but that shouldn't stop them from building interesting new ones rather than slots barns. Sadly, the casinos along the boardwalk create a wall blocking the city off from the ocean, I think they should work to change this over time. most of all, it focuses on something that NJ does fairly well (and there isn't a lot of that)...transportation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldondre View Post
    I believe Amtrak's pricing is required to be above the commuter's to as to not compete.
    Not to get off topic, but I've never heard this? Can you elaborate? I always wondered why it was so damn expecsive to take Amtrak from Philly to ANYWHERE

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB2SP View Post
    Not to get off topic, but I've never heard this? Can you elaborate? I always wondered why it was so damn expecsive to take Amtrak from Philly to ANYWHERE
    Amtrak is not allowed to sell monthly passes that are competitive with commuter railroads (never you mind that it's 20 min from wilmington to Philly on Amtrak vs 50 on SEPTA). I don't know exactly what the details are, but it's law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldondre View Post
    Amtrak is not allowed to sell monthly passes that are competitive with commuter railroads (never you mind that it's 20 min from wilmington to Philly on Amtrak vs 50 on SEPTA). I don't know exactly what the details are, but it's law.
    I would assume fear of the feds killing local revenues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raider.adam View Post
    I would assume fear of the feds killing local revenues.
    it's like most things, it might make some sense in a vacuum, but the law of unintended consequences is dire. what happened to those NY bound commuters? did they go to SEPTA? no, they take boltbus or drive to hamilton, nj. and if Amtrak can't make the money, we all pay for it since they're all subsidized. typical government behavior "act more like a business except I'll tell you how to run your business"
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldondre View Post
    it's like most things, it might make some sense in a vacuum, but the law of unintended consequences is dire. what happened to those NY bound commuters? did they go to SEPTA? no, they take boltbus or drive to hamilton, nj. and if Amtrak can't make the money, we all pay for it since they're all subsidized. typical government behavior "act more like a business except I'll tell you how to run your business"
    Not saying it is right or wrong, that was just my quick deduction on why such rules would have been in place.

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    I was down there again this past weekend and want to just reinterate my earlier response that the one thing that AC is not lacking is good looking girls in the casinos and casino bars, (we were in Ceasars). I told my buddies that I had read on this forum someone said there were no good looking girls and it was good for a lot of laughs.

    We drove up @ 6:00 via Ocean Drive after spending the day in Ocean City (north side closer to AC) and it took us close to an hour as Atlantic Ave and Pacific Ave were both crawling when we crossed into city limits. We talked to a friend that took the same route @ 8:00 and it took him an hour and a half. The Black Eyed Peas concert was going on but I've seen it almost as bad on other weekends too.

    As we were stuck in this traffic though I figured that this might be part of the answer of why AC can't be a beach city, at least one that shares any resemblence with it's neighbors to the south:

    No one is going to pay any serious money to stay in the run down beach house along Atlantic and Pacific; and the fact that traffic gets backed up along there and as the previous poster mentioned the casinos block the beach view they will never be redeveloped to become anything that would attract a higher class tennent.

    I'm not one to engage in class warfare but coming up Atlantic and Pacific it was almost scary for me which means it would downright terrifying for your average tourist. Stopping at an intersection with my window down some guy just started yelling at me and my friends, and passing some of the "beach houses" on Pacific there were all kinds of people out on the porch yelling and screaming at each other.

    I think AC made a mistake in spreading out the casinos too much. I know there are problems in the world but your average tourist doesn't want to be exposed to that on vacation. If there was just one large resort area a la Las Vegas it would be easier to get in and out without seeing the blight.

    As for right now I don't see any easy answer to solving the AC problem, except to keep people in the casinos/resorts and make private beach/pool areas as I mentioned in my previous post.

    Also, the DRPA was looking to improve the train to Atlantic City, who knows what if anythign will happen there
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    Well, governor Christie is coming to the rescue. He has stopped, or is trying to stop, AC casino tax revenues from being used to fund non AC projects, including subsidies to the Garden States remaining horse tracks. He'll make a lot of enemies by essentially shutting down the race tracks. But will this drastic measure be enough to save New Jersey's casino industry?

    Eldondre, the entire ACRL is actually welded rail, but it was either poorly welded or "relay" from previous stick rail. The result is a lot of small bumps in what should be a smooth surface.

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    we need to remember the good days of clean fun...

    everything about the shore is great..

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    takes you back to the good old days,,, they are working on an actual fudgy wudgy bar!

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    With its curved, 47-story, glass-and-steel facade, the Revel casino resort is designed to "embrace" the beach and Boardwalk in a way that no building on this famous oceanfront has done before.... The two-plus acres of rooftop pools, cabanas, gardens, and cafes; the restaurants, lounges, hotel rooms, and even the casino - all are designed to showcase Revel's beachfront location at the Boardwalk and New Jersey Avenue.In 2003, four years before the groundbreaking for the resort, federal and state officials launched a $68 million rebuilding of Atlantic City's eroding 2.5-mile shoreline. The project was completed over the summer.

    In front of the casino, where the beach was less than 100 feet wide at low tide, there is now a 350-foot expanse of sand. A visitor would never know that, at high tide, water used to wash under the Boardwalk, completely covering the strand.
    Revel casino embraces its environment - by partnering with agencies to help preserve the shoreline | Philadelphia Inquirer | 10/05/2011
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