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[FKD19124]

wont work. too big of a country and too many idiots will play extreme politcs with it.

A much larger percentage of Americans are on welfare than Japanese, it is true.

However perhaps we should adopt Japan's state-run capitalism and universal healthcare plan?

[BarryG]

wont work. too big of a country and too many idiots will play extreme politcs with it.

So why are you comparing Japan with US at all?

[FKD19124]

and where does it state how many recipents who can work, are collecting welfare from the state?
I doubts it larger than this country.

Let me google that for you

[FKD19124]

Im not. go back and re-read the posts.
Besides, Japan is not a lazy country like ours.

So why are you comparing Japan with US at all?

[BarryG]

Let me google that for you

YOu should actually read that Wikipedia article. It says less than 1% of the population receives welfare. Over 8% of the US receives food stamps.

[OffenseTaken]

YOu should actually read that Wikipedia article. It says less than 1% of the population receives welfare. Over 8% of the US receives food stamps.

That's exactly my point: welfare benefits themselves aren't the problem—otherwise Hiroshima would be worse off than Detroit today. The problem is a culture where it's no longer stigmatized for able-bodied, able-minded people to take those benefits indefinitely, without any intention of becoming self-sufficient.

It's an unsourced statement you're referring to, BTW, but I don't see any need to question it.

[BarryG]

You do realize there's a lot more "welfare" in Japan than there is in Detroit, right?

That's exactly my point: welfare benefits themselves aren't the problem—otherwise Hiroshima would be worse off than Detroit today. The problem is a culture where it's no longer stigmatized for able-bodied, able-minded people to take those benefits indefinitely, without any intention of becoming self-sufficient.

It's an unsourced statement you're referring to, BTW, but I don't see any need to question it.

I don't get your point at all. There is a lot less welfare in Japan than there is in the US, you claimed otherwise.

[OffenseTaken]

I don't get your point at all. There is a lot less welfare in Japan than there is in the US, you claimed otherwise.

If you take "welfare" to mean a state-guaranteed income, then the benefits available are roughly the same between the two countries. There are however far fewer people living off the public dole in Japan, which I think is what you mean by "there is a lot less welfare in Japan than there is in the US." And that, I agree with completely.

When I say there's a lot more welfare in Japan, I was including things like medical care, paid maternity leave, etc.

[thoth]

YOu should actually read that Wikipedia article. It says less than 1% of the population receives welfare. Over 8% of the US receives food stamps.

In 2010, A bit over 1% (4.4mil) of Americans receive traditional welfare, which obviously excludes food stamps, SSI, Social Security, medicare et al. 1.5% (2.05 million) Japanese received traditional welfare in 2010, which also excludes other forms of social benefits in that country, which primarily revolve around medical assistance and social security for their massive elderly population. Japan doesn't have a food stamps program per se, so the numbers you listed aren't really fair comparisons. Consider this:

"In 2006, the cost of public pensions, health care and welfare service for the aged reached a record $828 billion—six times higher than in 1986. Costs began accelerating in 2007 when large numbers of baby boomers retired and began getting pension payments. By 2025, pensions could eat up as much as 28 percent of GDP"

So as of right now, japan pays out around 20% of its GDP just to the elderly. The US spends a little less than 20% of GDP on all social programs combined.

Another phun phact about Japan:
-Japan has the most progressive tax system in the world. The top bracket is 65 percent. Inheritance taxes can be as high as 75 percent of the value of the property and claim up to 70 percent of inherited wealth. The corporate tax in Japan stands at 40 percent, the highest in the developed world. In South Korea the corporate tax rate is only 24 percent.

Japan's economy has been in a tailspin for 20 years and they have much higher unemployment than they would like the rest of the world to believe. Comparisons between the two countries don't really prove a lot one way or the other, I think.

More interesting is the fact that Austrailia spends around as much or perhaps slightly less on social programs than the US, but achieves a higher decrease in their overall poverty rate:

Welfare's effect on poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[NickTheCage]

In 2010, A bit over 1% (4.4mil) of Americans receive traditional welfare, which obviously excludes food stamps, SSI, Social Security, medicare et al. 1.5% (2.05 million) Japanese received traditional welfare in 2010, which also excludes other forms of social benefits in that country, which primarily revolve around medical assistance and social security for their massive elderly population. Japan doesn't have a food stamps program per se, so the numbers you listed aren't really fair comparisons. Consider this:

"In 2006, the cost of public pensions, health care and welfare service for the aged reached a record $828 billion—six times higher than in 1986. Costs began accelerating in 2007 when large numbers of baby boomers retired and began getting pension payments. By 2025, pensions could eat up as much as 28 percent of GDP"

So as of right now, japan pays out around 20% of its GDP just to the elderly. The US spends a little less than 20% of GDP on all social programs combined.

Another phun phact about Japan:
-Japan has the most progressive tax system in the world. The top bracket is 65 percent. Inheritance taxes can be as high as 75 percent of the value of the property and claim up to 70 percent of inherited wealth. The corporate tax in Japan stands at 40 percent, the highest in the developed world. In South Korea the corporate tax rate is only 24 percent.

Japan's economy has been in a tailspin for 20 years and they have much higher unemployment than they would like the rest of the world to believe. Comparisons between the two countries don't really prove a lot one way or the other, I think.

More interesting is the fact that Austrailia spends around as much or perhaps slightly less on social programs than the US, but achieves a higher decrease in their overall poverty rate:

Welfare's effect on poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why does your link and the charts only go to 1991 and 1997 considering that we increased welfare under Bush and even more under the bamster?





///Oh and LMMFAO @ "In 2010, A bit over 1% (4.4mil) of Americans receive traditional welfare" "which obviously excludes food stamps, SSI, medicare et al"

[thoth]

Hey, neanderthal, if you read the next ****ing sentence you'd see that I was responding to Barry's assertion that Japanese people receive less social benefits than the US. He used the logic that because 1% of Japanese people receive a traditional form of welfare (it's actually 1.5%) and 8% of Americans receive food stamps, that Japan doles out less govt money to its citizens. In reality both countries spend a similar percentage of their GDP on welfare related programs if you include things like SSI, SS, etc.

Does explaining it again in a slightly different way insert any information into your rock-like cranium? Or does it just give you the urge to go off on a tangent about how Japanese people are barbarous because they spend their social security money on tentacle porn?

Why does your link and the charts only go to 1991 and 1997 considering that we increased welfare under Bush and even more under the bamster?





///Oh and LMMFAO @ "In 2010, A bit over 1% (4.4mil) of Americans receive traditional welfare" "which obviously excludes food stamps, SSI, medicare et al"

[Naveen]

So as of right now, japan pays out around 20% of its GDP just to the elderly. The US spends a little less than 20% of GDP on all social programs combined.

Another phun phact about Japan:
-Japan has the most progressive tax system in the world. The top bracket is 65 percent. Inheritance taxes can be as high as 75 percent of the value of the property and claim up to 70 percent of inherited wealth. The corporate tax in Japan stands at 40 percent, the highest in the developed world. In South Korea the corporate tax rate is only 24 percent.

Japan's economy has been in a tailspin for 20 years and they have much higher unemployment than they would like the rest of the world to believe.

Yep. Sad but true. I think the Japanese really lost their mojo after we quashed their imperial ambitions. Plus, it probably would have been better if they had conquered all of East Asia; then, China would not have gone communist. In retrospect, we probably should have accepted conditional surrender and allowed Japan to keep their Asian holdings. This would have done more to reduce global socialism, which really is the greatest threat the world has ever faced since that asteroid that made the dinosaurs extinct.

[MariusPontmercy]

Yep. Sad but true. I think the Japanese really lost their mojo after we quashed their imperial ambitions. Plus, it probably would have been better if they had conquered all of East Asia; then, China would not have gone communist. In retrospect, we probably should have accepted conditional surrender and allowed Japan to keep their Asian holdings. This would have done more to reduce global socialism, which really is the greatest threat the world has ever faced since that asteroid that made the dinosaurs extinct.

lolwut?

[OffenseTaken]

Yep. Sad but true. I think the Japanese really lost their mojo after we quashed their imperial ambitions. Plus, it probably would have been better if they had conquered all of East Asia; then, China would not have gone communist. In retrospect, we probably should have accepted conditional surrender and allowed Japan to keep their Asian holdings. This would have done more to reduce global socialism, which really is the greatest threat the world has ever faced since that asteroid that made the dinosaurs extinct.

lolwut?

I have a proposal. As soon as one of these national-issue threads is clearly past its prime, we should just turn it into this Grand Guignol of batsh¡t-crazy ideas. If it's clear that from the get-go that the thread won't have a prime—as is often the case—just wait until Frankford posts a few image macros.

It's a good alternative to facepalming.

[Litter Box]

cupcake.... I am on hers. ITS PRIVATE INSURANCE! Not government run health care.

Let's see private insurance paid for with taxpayer money and she probably belongs to a union. Seems hypocritical, it must be tough for an extreme right winger to have someone like that under the same roof. Shame.

[mixiboi]

Jeeze this went from fun to dumb quick...

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[FKD19124]

tell that to all government workers.

Let's see private insurance paid for with taxpayer money and she probably belongs to a union. Seems hypocritical, it must be tough for an extreme right winger to have someone like that under the same roof. Shame.

[Litter Box]

tell that to all government workers.

You are the one always criticizing government workers when your own wife works for the PSD. When all the schools go charter what ya gonna do ? It may not be mandatory but it would be nice if you lived in the city and helped rather than complain.

[FKD19124]

oh really????? now show me all the threads where I did that.
You mean the school district??? You actually think the idiots running the school district are not imcompetent?

You are the one always criticizing government workers .

It may not be mandatory but it would be nice if you lived in the city and helped rather than complain.

ummmm....the city tried that back in the 90s remember????

[Litter Box]

oh really????? now show me all the threads where I did that.
You mean the school district??? You actually think the idiots running the school district are not imcompetent?






ummmm....the city tried that back in the 90s remember????

I didn't say it should be law, I said it would be good thing for your family to live in the city and try to make it better. Living in the burbs all you can do is bitch on this forum. By moving you surrendered your voting rights in the city your wife works in. It would be like me bitching about Delaware County, I would be shouting into the wind like you.