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    No grand jury is because they are likely going for manslaughter, not premeditated murder. Zimmerman may have all sorts of mental issues but he did not wake up that day with a plan to kill a black teen. Rather he escalated a situation unwisely and depending on the evidence as a result killed Martin without justification.

    Way to jump topics.

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    Show Trial. Grand jurys aren't only called for first degree murder cases bucko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACretin View Post

    He said it was a tragic example of two young men trying to annihilate each other, but that Trayvon had got the drop on Zimmerman. That's it.
    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. He hedges his bets on the facts of the case but implies with a series of "if" statements that "if" indeed Martin's death was wrongful (read very good chance) its the exception rather than the rule for how young black men die in America today. I like the piece, just not your misreading of it.

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    Default you really aren't that smart. BUT ITS NOW SHOWTIME !

    Quote Originally Posted by seand View Post
    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. He hedges his bets on the facts of the case but implies with a series of "if" statements that "if" indeed Martin's death was wrongful (read very good chance) its the exception rather than the rule for how young black men die in America today. I like the piece, just not your misreading of it.
    If he is charged and convicted bud. If.

    And what about those Grand Jurys you said a minute ago only handled first degree murder cases?

    Show Trial ! SHOWTIME !

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    Default Eric Holder and Al Sharpton

    Seems the head of our Justice Department believes strongly in the veracity of a man who brought us Tawana Brawley.

    Eric Holder Praises Left-Wing Activist Al Sharpton, Says Facts, Law Will Guide Trayvon Martin Investigation | CNSNews.com

    29. The Tawana Brawley Hoax

    "Justice" Department - it should be in quotes now, admit it. There's no Justice at the Justice Department, just the politics of bigotry and victimology.

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    Seem the AP keeps repeating ABC's original inaccurate coverage, now stating that, "Zimmerman may have had a small wound to the back of his head".

    News from The Associated Press

    Sorry ABC… Video Shows Gash in Back of Democrat Zimmerman’s Head After Fight With Trayvon Martin | The Gateway Pundit

    Hey how about that AP head's fawning, talking-points intro for Obama once again?

    AP Head Lauds Obama

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACretin View Post
    Seem the AP keeps repeating ABC's original inaccurate coverage, now stating that, "Zimmerman may have had a small wound to the back of his head".

    News from The Associated Press



    Sorry ABC… Video Shows Gash in Back of Democrat Zimmerman’s Head After Fight With Trayvon Martin | The Gateway Pundit

    Hey how about that AP head's fawning, talking-points intro for Obama once again?

    AP Head Lauds Obama
    How do we know that Zimmerman didn't cut himself in order to claim self defence ?

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    Default police responded quickly and there are no reports of self-injury by witnesses

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    How do we know that Zimmerman didn't cut himself in order to claim self defence ?
    You mean besides the fact that there were witnesses there who didn't describe Zimmerman doing anything like this to the police. Or that the police responded quickly, leaving little time for self-injury.

    How about the media outing a 13 year old witness by name - a witness who supported Zimmerman's account of Trayvon on top of him wailing on him.

    And why was the back of Zimmerman's shirt wet, like he had been on the ground ?


    Hey, how about this though? One of Obama's law professors just flunked class, remarkably similarly to how Obama just flunked class regarding Marbury vs Madison.

    Obama Prof Flunks Criminal Law at Sharpton Hate Convention

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACretin View Post
    You mean besides the fact that there were witnesses there who didn't describe Zimmerman doing anything like this to the police. Or that the police responded quickly, leaving little time for self-injury.

    How about the media outing a 13 year old witness by name - a witness who supported Zimmerman's account of Trayvon on top of him wailing on him.

    And why was the back of Zimmerman's shirt wet, like he had been on the ground ?


    Hey, how about this though? One of Obama's law professors just flunked class, remarkably similarly to how Obama just flunked class regarding Marbury vs Madison.

    Obama Prof Flunks Criminal Law at Sharpton Hate Convention
    He probably laid on the ground and hit his head on the ground to cover up the murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACretin View Post
    Show Trial. Grand jurys aren't only called for first degree murder cases bucko.
    No they aren't but its largely a matter of how confident the prosecutor is and the prosecutor in this case is apparently quite confident in the evidence she has to bring a conviction, apparently. My comment was based on various legal commentators who said the only thing you can discern from her decision was that she is not bringing first degree murder charges and sure enough she isn't. So if a.) Zimmerman is convicted or b.) takes a plea deal wher ehe admits to killing Martin without justification will you issue a formal apology to all of us for some of this nonsense?

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    In all likelihood, Zimmerman was injured in a tussle with Martin, one I suspect he initiated. There have been some dramtically exagerated statements about the seriousness of these injuries. Does not give him the right to shoot an unarmed young man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seand View Post
    In all likelihood, Zimmerman was injured in a tussle with Martin, one I suspect he initiated. There have been some dramtically exagerated statements about the seriousness of these injuries. Does not give him the right to shoot an unarmed young man.
    Actually the only inaccurate statements regarding his injuries have been the ones mimimizing his (Zimmerman's) injuries.

    There is no evidence Zimmerman initiated a tussle. To the contrary, there is evidence that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the **** out of him. And it's pretty apparent that pop culture (worldstar hip hop.com) glorifies the senseless beatdown of those viewed as deserving some poetic justice. Every young kid thinks he has the right to sucker punch and then beat the crap out of or kill/maim some unsuspecting person who doesn't look like them, or has somehow wronged him in some fashion. Every young kid like this is encouraged to nurture this anger, and then unload on somebody, because they deserve it. So the attacker is the victim, because he was treated so badly by society. This is what Jesse, Al and Spike think. And they show no concern for the numerous people killed, maimed or injured in these types of attacks. Our President has never mentioned it. Our Mayor has mentioned it once, and that was 2 years after entering office, and 2 years after that guy at South and Broad was beaten into a seizure. Their only concern is for the attackers, that they don't kill other folks who look like them, i.e. that they not kill each other. They don't care about the actual victims of these attacks.

    http://www.phillytrib.com/newsarticl...%99-crime.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthjohn View Post
    My heart is full like so many other citizens in the Republic over the brazen murder of 17 year old Trayvon Martin. Originally, I didn’t want to write about Trayvon, because like him, there are so many of our youth murdered that I simply didn’t think my heart could take another child never seeing adulthood; but, here I am doing just that. Trayvon Martin didn’t have to die. The police should have been allowed to do their job and if that had happened, he would have gone home and maybe the next time we heard the name Trayvon it might have been Trayvon, Ph.D., senator Trayvon or President Trayvon of the Republic.

    Unfortunately, an overzealous neighborhood watch captain thumbed his nose at law enforcement and took matters into his own hands murdering an unarmed and frightened child that was in possession of only a bag of Skittles and a bottle of ice tea. However, when law enforcement did get involved, they let the perpetrator of this ghastly crime go home-case closed. How can this be? Have we become so apathetic about African American teens that when they are murdered it is somehow their fault, that violence is part of their nature and follows them wherever they go? No. No! That’s not intelligent. Trayvon was a good kid and not the “good kid” that has a rap sheet longer than the Eiffel Tower. He was a good kid, pure and simple.

    We are in the midst of a generation of youth that is bitter and apathetic about society because they simply believe there is no justice for them. Alas, the murder of Trayvon is feeding their apathy. The individual that pulled the trigger believes without a doubt that he did the right thing and he is not alone, because there are some citizens in the Republic that share his belief system. But ask yourself; if your child or children were murdered wouldn’t you want every iota of the details that led to it? Doesn’t the Martin Family deserve all the details that led to the death of their child?

    No matter what happens now, Trayvon Martin will never come home to his parents, family or friends that love him. But what we can do as a civilized society is demand justice for his senseless death and bring some closure to a heart wrenching chapter that has galvanized and awakened the citizenry to a harsh reality—due to rampant violence and the knee jerk reaction to shoot first, many of our children will not live to see adulthood.


    Anthony P. Johnson, Candidate for State Representative, 180th District, 2012
    U.S. News - George Zimmerman in custody, will plead not guilty to second-degree murder in Trayvon Martin case

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    Good lord. There are a lot of messed up kids with screwed up priorities and too little respect for the lives of others in Philly. An awful lot of them are poor and black and they inflict their thoughtless acts of rage and stupidity on their black neighbors at least as often as they do on white victims.

    That does not mean every single time a black teen is shot that "they deserved it" because Trayvon Martin must carry the collective guilt of every act of violence of every two bit hoodlum who happens to be black in the entire United States. Individuals do not ever "deserve" to be killed for the actions of other stupid people who just happen to be their same age and race. Thats seriously f'd up. You are not responsible for every horrible thing a white person ever did to a non-white person, why should it work the other way around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seand View Post
    Good lord. There are a lot of messed up kids with screwed up priorities and too little respect for the lives of others in Philly. An awful lot of them are poor and black and they inflict their thoughtless acts of rage and stupidity on their black neighbors at least as often as they do on white victims.

    That does not mean every single time a black teen is shot that "they deserved it" because Trayvon Martin must carry the collective guilt of every act of violence of every two bit hoodlum who happens to be black in the entire United States. Individuals do not ever "deserve" to be killed for the actions of other stupid people who just happen to be their same age and race. Thats seriously f'd up. You are not responsible for every horrible thing a white person ever did to a non-white person, why should it work the other way around?
    Because we have no credible account of what happened and nature abhors a vacuum...
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    Again, when your race slowly simmered, peppered, and wrought with a negative (and violent) reputation over decades, it's just impossible to shed that fact.
    Some people ignore this and issue pleas of "it's not all of them".

    Ok, that is true.

    But nevertheless, the reputation continues, and so does the crimes.
    The chip-on-the-shoulder attitude by many, further cements a picture to society.

    Add to that the media involvment.

    So with that said, is it really an issue that some latino guy took the initiative and took one out?
    Maybe he was riddled with the almost constant reports that we all see on the news.
    Some people are more prone to being sparked into defending themselves more than others.

    It's all about fear, people.... either creating it, or living in it.
    Who's the bad guy supposed to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litter Box View Post
    He probably laid on the ground and hit his head on the ground to cover up the murder.
    Are you trying to win a "dumb off" with this guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NE19149 View Post

    So with that said, is it really an issue that some latino guy took the initiative and took one out?
    Maybe he was riddled with the almost constant reports that we all see on the news.
    Some people are more prone to being sparked into defending themselves more than others.

    It's all about fear, people.... either creating it, or living in it.
    Who's the bad guy supposed to be?
    Wow. Just wow.

    Basically its OK to murder random individual black people on the vague plan of terrifying the small minority of people who fall in the criminal class. Thats some pretty twisted "group think" if ever I've seen it.

    I really don't say this lightly. You are a sad, disgusting, deeply disturbed individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkp View Post
    Are you trying to win a "dumb off" with this guy?
    Winners get to write the history, it is not out of the question that a guilty person would try to fake evidence to support his side of the story. We will never hear Martin's side of the story. Speculation yes but also possible.

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