PPA in Manayunk/Roxborough/EF

**forchrissake** · 10-08-2012, 10:46 AM

Arg! I've been starting to see more and more PPA officers... especially in Manayunk. I couldn't even imagine what the future would hold if we were all getting tickets for the way we park on these streets. Cars on opposite sides of the street, on the sidewalks . . .

Is there anyway that we can keep the PPA presence DOWN in our neighborhood? We've been fine without them so far and I don't want to be afraid to park on my own street.

http://www.****theppa.org

**carsonbaker** · 10-08-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by forchrissake

Arg! I've been starting to see more and more PPA officers... especially in Manayunk. I couldn't even imagine what the future would hold if we were all getting tickets for the way we park on these streets. Cars on opposite sides of the street, on the sidewalks . . .

Is there anyway that we can keep the PPA presence DOWN in our neighborhood? We've been fine without them so far and I don't want to be afraid to park on my own street.

http://www.****theppa.org

I, for one, think that PPA presence in Manayunk is good. It's a royal PITA when someone parks on one of the X'ed out spots, completely oblivious that it's nearly impossible to make a turn around a corner when they are on the X.

I think a better solution is permit parking--this keeps all of the St.Joe's and college a-holes from parking on the streets while they (and the majority of the lackluster renters) are unable to park without registering their car in the city. Thus, we get a solution to many problems. First, residents can finally park, as there are no longer 4 cars per row home. Second, we get less college and upwardly mobile renters that do nothing but degrade the neighborhood since they are unable to park their cars. Third, we may even get better public transit (more frequent buses or something) because of increased demand on the routes. Seems like wins in all categories to me.

**Debbie1125** · 10-08-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by forchrissake

Arg! I've been starting to see more and more PPA officers... especially in Manayunk. I couldn't even imagine what the future would hold if we were all getting tickets for the way we park on these streets. Cars on opposite sides of the street, on the sidewalks . . .

Is there anyway that we can keep the PPA presence DOWN in our neighborhood? We've been fine without them so far and I don't want to be afraid to park on my own street.

http://www.****theppa.org

I'm going to agree with Carson Baker. I think the PPA is needed. There are many streets in Manayunk where there are so many cars parked on the sidewalk that pedestrians have to walk in the street. This is unsafe, especially when you have a street like Silverwood where there is a constant flow of traffic.

**PhilaCap** · 10-08-2012, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by carsonbaker

St.Joe's and college a-holes...

we get less college and upwardly mobile renters that do nothing but degrade the neighborhood

how dare they have the audacity to go to college!

**McQ** · 10-08-2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by forchrissake

Arg! I've been starting to see more and more PPA officers... especially in Manayunk. I couldn't even imagine what the future would hold if we were all getting tickets for the way we park on these streets. Cars on opposite sides of the street, on the sidewalks . . .

Is there anyway that we can keep the PPA presence DOWN in our neighborhood? We've been fine without them so far and I don't want to be afraid to park on my own street.

http://www.****theppa.org

Don't park like an ass and you wont have to worry about tickets.

**ResidentOf19127** · 10-08-2012, 01:49 PM

In regards to the college kids - one needs to keep in mind that this is their first time living away from home. They're unsupervised; living in a world without consequences or penalties. They want to party, get drunk and get laid. That's it. The fact that you or I live here has no bearing on their 'rebellious' and carefree way of existing.

There are several bars who knowingly allow minors to drink on upper floors or use their side alleys for smoking pot. That's certainly not helping. Unfortunately, the LCB can be bought off.

Let's face it - the police, the PPA, the LCB- none of them could care less about this neighborhood. If they truly did, they would do something about it instead of just showboating during the Bike Race and Arts Festival.

**Debbie1125** · 10-08-2012, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by McQ

Don't park like an ass and you wont have to worry about tickets.

Exactly!

**carsonbaker** · 10-08-2012, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by PhilaCap

how dare they have the audacity to go to college!

It's actually more like... how dare they have the audacity to treat our neighborhood like a giant trash can and frat party, but that is reserved for another conversation.

**RedBullMB** · 10-08-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by ResidentOf19127

In regards to the college kids - one needs to keep in mind that this is their first time living away from home. They're unsupervised; living in a world without consequences or penalties. They want to party, get drunk and get laid. That's it.

Have a talk with the one's in your immediate area and that may have an impact on how they treat the block and their impact on you. It's unfortunate that you are subjected to these quality of life issues, but maybe it'll help. They'll grow up though, and as it was mentioned - it could be worse in terms of criminal behavior.

**Licious** · 10-09-2012, 09:19 AM

PPA has been out of control with their ticketing in Manayunk lately. Cars on my block were given citations for "blocking the sidewalk" when really their tire was on the curb. The curb on my block is depressed and it's hard not to end up on it. The block is tight and you do what you can to not get your mirror knocked off. Very frustrating to try and follow the rules and still end up ticketed.

**fallser98** · 10-09-2012, 09:32 AM

I live in East Falls where we have the zoned parking. Believe me, it does NOT deter renters or the college kids who simply switch the plates and get permits, or in a lot of cases, get daddy to buy the house they intend on selling when they graduate. PPA is probably your best bet, for now. . .

**fallser98** · 10-09-2012, 09:34 AM

Exactly! Ask the police and they'll tell you, like they told EF, that you "only have quality of life issues." Ironically, the work the police do is in the service of those who don't pay taxes. . .

**philly57** · 10-09-2012, 09:49 AM

Agreed with the Licious. It's the PPA we're talking about - one of the city's most dysfunctional and corrupt agencies. The CONCEPT that if you "don't park like an ass and you wont' get ticket" sounds good but the PPA has proven itself over and over again to issue BS tickets. Sure, plenty of people "who park like an ass" will get tickets, but so will folks who's rear might be one inch too close to a stop sign, bus stop, or hydrant, for example. Also, while there is no excuse for parking the wrong way on a wide street like Lyceum or Roxborough, it's nearly impossible on the narrower two streets to make a U turn and park the correct way.

By the way, some posters will hijack any thread subject to trash the college kids. I live on block with a Yunker bar and college kids and by far, most of the noise and trash on my street comes from that bar - which is definitely a locals only hangout. So please don't make it seem that all of the QOL issues in Manayunk are due to the college kids. Manayunk and Roxborough have a decent amount of trashy people who litter, scream obscenities in the street, park like *******s, drive their loud muscle cars at late hours, get in fistfights, pee in the street, etc., etc., etc. And unlike the college kids, they don't grow up or move out.

**Debbie1125** · 10-09-2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by philly57

By the way, some posters will hijack any thread subject to trash the college kids. I live on block with a Yunker bar and college kids and by far, most of the noise and trash on my street comes from that bar - which is definitely a locals only hangout. So please don't make it seem that all of the QOL issues in Manayunk are due to the college kids. Manayunk and Roxborough have a decent amount of trashy people who litter, scream obscenities in the street, park like *******s, drive their loud muscle cars at late hours, get in fistfights, pee in the street, etc., etc., etc. And unlike the college kids, they don't grow up or move out.

I think I know which Yunk bar you're talking about. That bar has quite a few trashy looking types than seem to be hanging out there whenever I walk by. I also agree about it's not always the college students being obnoxious and noisy. A majority of the time when those loud muscle cars go down my street, I've noticed it's older drivers behind the wheel. Same with the loudest motorcycles, most are overweight older men with ZZ Top beards. They don't care how early it is in the morning.

**McQ** · 10-09-2012, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by philly57

Agreed with the Licious. It's the PPA we're talking about - one of the city's most dysfunctional and corrupt agencies. The CONCEPT that if you "don't park like an ass and you wont' get ticket" sounds good but the PPA has proven itself over and over again to issue BS tickets. Sure, plenty of people "who park like an ass" will get tickets, but so will folks who's rear might be one inch too close to a stop sign, bus stop, or hydrant, for example. Also, while there is no excuse for parking the wrong way on a wide street like Lyceum or Roxborough, it's nearly impossible on the narrower two streets to make a U turn and park the correct way.

By the way, some posters will hijack any thread subject to trash the college kids. I live on block with a Yunker bar and college kids and by far, most of the noise and trash on my street comes from that bar - which is definitely a locals only hangout. So please don't make it seem that all of the QOL issues in Manayunk are due to the college kids. Manayunk and Roxborough have a decent amount of trashy people who litter, scream obscenities in the street, park like *******s, drive their loud muscle cars at late hours, get in fistfights, pee in the street, etc., etc., etc. And unlike the college kids, they don't grow up or move out.

The PPA is far from dysfunctional. They are probably the most efficient of all the agencies. I wish City Hall operated even half as efficient as they do.

I have gotten three tickets in Roxborough/Manayunk in the last 15 years. One on Main St for stopping in a "No Stopping" zone and 2 others for having my meter run out. I have never received a ticket I didn't deserve.

If you got a ticket for parking on the curb, guess what? You aren't supposed to do that. You deserved the ticket. If you park in front of a hydrant, you get a ticket. I don't get what your problem is. Are you special and don't need to follow the rules like everyone else does?

**philly57** · 10-09-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by McQ

If you got a ticket for parking on the curb, guess what? You aren't supposed to do that. You deserved the ticket. If you park in front of a hydrant, you get a ticket. I don't get what your problem is. Are you special and don't need to follow the rules like everyone else does?

Why are you being such a hostile prick? There is a big difference between getting a ticket for blocking a hydrant and getting a ticket for having your rear bumper stick out two inches past a no-parking sign. The PPA is notorious for not applying common sense when handing out tickets - that's all I said.

**Licious** · 10-09-2012, 11:03 AM

McQ,

One tire on a crub that has no reveal should not be a $51 ticket for "blocking a sidewalk". In no way does it hinder pedestrians. Maybe the city should properly restore the street during reconstruction. PPA could probably help with funding for that. They have the budget to issue tickets in manayunk at 12:00 a.m. You're right on the efficiency. Over 3 million tickets issued last year in a city of under 1.5 million in population. When 3" of tire on the curb helps avoid a $200 bill for a new side mirror I'm sure you'd do the same.

**D-man** · 10-09-2012, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by McQ

I have gotten three tickets in Roxborough/Manayunk in the last 15 years. One on Main St for stopping in a "No Stopping" zone and 2 others for having my meter run out. I have never received a ticket I didn't deserve.

Same here. I've received 2 tickets in 11 years. Both times I knowingly parked close to a hydrant (once was during the bike race and there was absolutely no place to park within a mile of my house. The second time was the night before my wedding and I had my car filled with cases of beer and wine for the reception). Either way, I knew I was wrong and I took a chance.

BTW the PPA is a state agency, not a city agency.

**OldMama** · 10-09-2012, 12:30 PM

I've recently moved to a street with permit parking. I found dealing with PPA to be quite pleasant- from the foot patrol who told me how to get a permit ( and didn't ticket me until I had a chance to get one) to the people at the office who sold me a permit and told me about guest passes. Everyone was pleasant and professional.

Keep in mind that if you do get permit parking on your street, it may exclude the weekends. It does on my street. Surprisingly, the people who take up the spaces on the weekend are not so much those going to the Italian Market or the local restaurants. These people tend to be in and out pretty quickly. No, it 's the boyfriends and girlfriends of the renters on the street. Those cars show up late on Friday and don't move until late Sunday or Monday morning. You learn to deal with it.

**McQ** · 10-10-2012, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by philly57

Why are you being such a hostile prick? There is a big difference between getting a ticket for blocking a hydrant and getting a ticket for having your rear bumper stick out two inches past a no-parking sign. The PPA is notorious for not applying common sense when handing out tickets - that's all I said.

Hostile prick? Nah… You just don’t like being told you’re wrong. Technically there isn’t a difference between parking in front of a hydrant and being two inches over a no parking sign. Both are ticketable.
Pro-tip: If your bumper sticks out past where you aren't supposed to be and you get a ticket, don't park there again. Whether you think its common sense or not is irrelevant. You admitted your car was sticking over the line.