Colorado baker target of gay protest for not baking wedding cake - more hysteria from the left

**FKD19124** · 07-31-2012, 11:13 AM

The people need to understand that this baker is a PRIVATE business. If he losses business in light of this, that is his right to stand for what he believes in. Also, it is the right of the individual to protest. Just like with Chick-fil-a, I support the owner's freedom of speech just like I support anyone's freedom to protest peaceably. But what is this crap about "Age of Obama.." and that religious beliefs have "..don't mean anything in Obama's America" He's only got a maximum of 4 more years, that's IF he get's re-elected. Which I'm hoping he doesn't. Feel free to comment below but please do it without profanity.

Colorado baker target of gay protest for not baking wedding cake - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

**seand** · 07-31-2012, 11:24 AM

Its a PRIVATE busines that people have every right to protest and boycott if the guy goes out of his way to act like a bigot. And there are a whole lot of straight people who just as soon not hire a bigot for the fanciest, most expensive cake they will ever buy and take their business elsewhere. Thats the wonderful thing about a free market system. If you don't like how a jerk conducts his business, you can take it elsewhere.

Overall, I'd say he's a very stupid PRIVATE businessman.

**FKD19124** · 07-31-2012, 11:27 AM

stupid why? because he stands up for his beliefs?
People need to grow up and realize that you can't bully people into thinking like you do.

Originally Posted by seand

Its a PRIVATE busines that people have every right to protest and boycott if the guy goes out of his way to act like a bigot. And there are a whole lot of straight people who just as soon not hire a bigot for the fanciest, most expensive cake they will ever buy and take their business elsewhere. Thats the wonderful thing about a free market system. If you don't like how a jerk conducts his business, you can take it elsewhere.

Overall, I'd say he's a very stupid PRIVATE businessman.

**seand** · 07-31-2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by FKD19124

stupid why? because he stands up for his beliefs?

You could say the same thing about David Duke or Westboro Baptist Church, I suppose. Yes people "stand up" for bigoted beliefs frequently. I believe there was a pastor in Alabama who cancelled a wedding when he learned the couple was black just last week.

Originally Posted by FKD19124

People need to grow up and realize that you can't bully people into thinking like you do.

But people in business generally eventually grow up and realize you can't try to bully your customers into thinking like you do, either. Or at least the ones that stay in business do.

**FKD19124** · 07-31-2012, 12:31 PM

I just think its stupid for anyone left or right to bully people into believing something they dont want to.
I also don't condone people telling me where I can spend my money. I personally do not like Starbucks coffee( think it tastes like ****! ).
their politics and where they send their money turns me off big time but I am not going to protest outside thier stores or bully others into
not going there. I have more important things to do.

Originally Posted by seand

You could say the same thing about David Duke or Westboro Baptist Church, I suppose. Yes people "stand up" for bigoted beliefs frequently. I believe there was a pastor in Alabama who cancelled a wedding when he learned the couple was black just last week.

But people in business generally eventually grow up and realize you can't try to bully your customers into thinking like you do, either. Or at least the ones that stay in business do.

**seand** · 07-31-2012, 12:46 PM

I'm just not seeing any sane business person refusing to give those two very nice fellas a cake for whatever they want it for. So you are deeply opposed to the legal use of the word marriage. The cake is part of the personal ceremony. It just seems like a dick move to decide its your job to deny these people a fancy party to celebrate their committed relationship.

"I'll sell a cake to any abusive, disfunctional, marriage-of-convenience hetero couple that walks through the door and waves cash in my face no questions asked but I refuse to be part of letting these two guys have a nice ceremony for their friends and family because I feel that it will be indirectly sanctioning the 'M-word' which I disagree with."

I'd hazard to guess even a lot of social conservatives would find that needlessly rude and impolite.

**FKD19124** · 07-31-2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by seand

I'm just not seeing any sane business person refusing to give those two very nice fellas a cake for whatever they want it for. So you are deeply opposed to the legal use of the word marriage. The cake is part of the personal ceremony. It just seems like a dick move to decide its your job to deny these people a fancy party to celebrate their committed relationship.

Define committed relationship. I think it was loveisnoise who posted an interesting read on gay marriage and what two gay people think
the word "committed" means.

**seand** · 07-31-2012, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by FKD19124

Define committed relationship. I think it was loveisnoise who posted an interesting read on gay marriage and what two gay people think
the word "committed" means.

Most gay couples who want to go through the whole rigamarole of a ceremony with a cake and dressing up and inviting the parents and family, I'm going to bet lean more towards a more conventional definition of monogamy. Also its not like there are no straight couples who have ever had affairs or there are not likely any number of straight "swinger" couples this guy has sold cakes to over the years, no questions asked.

**forkiks** · 07-31-2012, 01:21 PM

Why is the gay couple adamant about getting this baker to make their cake? There are lots of other bakeries that would likely have no problem making their cake...so what is the point in forcing this baker to do things their way? They can take their business elsewhere.
This baker is a private business, and the owner has a right to believe in his beliefs, no?

**FKD19124** · 07-31-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by forkiks

This baker is a private business, and the owner has a right to believe in his beliefs, no?

apparently not anymore in this country. Seems that bullying people into your position is the order of the day.

**seand** · 07-31-2012, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by forkiks

Why is the gay couple adamant about getting this baker to make their cake? There are lots of other bakeries that would likely have no problem making their cake...so what is the point in forcing this baker to do things their way? They can take their business elsewhere.
This baker is a private business, and the owner has a right to believe in his beliefs, no?

Did you read the story? The guys go in there and go through the whole process of ordering the cake with the guy and then when he figures out the cake was actually for the two of them he refuses to do business with them. On a cake.

I really don't see on what planet anyone would think that is anything but rude.

He has a right to act like a bigoted arse but the public has a right to let it be known this a jerk you might not want to give your money to if you happen to have any gay friends, relatives, coworkers who you say might be considering inviting to your own wedding. Choosing not to give your money to people who act like jerks is the American way.

**Litter Box** · 07-31-2012, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by FKD19124

apparently not anymore in this country. Seems that bullying people into your position is the order of the day.

If the baker hated rightwing nut cases like you wouldn't you like to be aware of it ? Would you continue to buy from that baker ?

**FKD19124** · 07-31-2012, 01:33 PM

no I wouldn't but I wouldn't get all dramatic about it either unless they tried to physically harm me
or someone else.

Originally Posted by Litter Box

If the baker hated rightwing nut cases like you wouldn't you like to be aware of it ? Would you continue to buy from that baker ?

**Litter Box** · 07-31-2012, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by FKD19124

no I wouldn't but I wouldn't get all dramatic about it either unless they tried to physically harm me
or someone else.

The baker brought it on himself and the couple responded with IMHO righteous indignation.

**jdhill** · 07-31-2012, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by seand

Did you read the story? The guys go in there and go through the whole process of ordering the cake with the guy and then when he figures out the cake was actually for the two of them he refuses to do business with them. On a cake.

So they went through "the whole process" before the baker said he wouldn't sell to them? Sounds pretty clear that he would do business with them but just not produce wedding cake with some form of same-sex recognition. Once a law is passed that says a private business must produce any product requested of them then the baker has an issue.

In the meanwhile, if I ask a private artist to carve a tree into the form of former president Ronald Reagan, can they refuse the commission?

**Litter Box** · 07-31-2012, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by jdhill

So they went through "the whole process" before the baker said he wouldn't sell to them? Sounds pretty clear that he would do business with them but just not produce wedding cake with some form of same-sex recognition. Once a law is passed that says a private business must produce any product requested of them then the baker has an issue.

In the meanwhile, if I ask a private artist to carve a tree into the form of former president Ronald Reagan, can they refuse the commission?

Of course an artist can refuse to do it and you have the right to tell everyone about him. What's the problem ?

**Zep** · 07-31-2012, 01:57 PM

People FKD agrees with protest: Excercising their right!

Peopel FKD doesn't agree with protest: BULLIES FORCING THEIR BELIEFS!

Everyone got that?

**Zep** · 07-31-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by jdhill

In the meanwhile, if I ask a private artist to carve a tree into the form of former president Ronald Reagan, can they refuse the commission?

Of course they can, and then you have the right to protest that action/boycott his/her services etc. Hooray democracy!

**jdhill** · 07-31-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Litter Box

Of course an artist can refuse to do it and you have the right to tell everyone about him. What's the problem ?

Hyperbolic demonizing of any party that refuses business that they find objectionable doesn't have a good track record in achieving desired results...

**Zep** · 07-31-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by jdhill

Hyperbolic demonizing of any party that refuses business that they find objectionable doesn't have a good track record in achieving desired results...

What's hyperbolic about "This guy won't bake us a cake because we're gay, thought you should know"?