The Fall of Penn State...

**mixiboi** · 11-08-2011, 01:36 PM

I'm sure everyone heard this story, but it just getting started

A Guide To The Child Sexual Abuse Charges Against Jerry Sandusky, And To Penn State's Alleged Willful Ignorance

A Roundup Of The Latest Developments In The Jerry Sandusky Child Sex Abuse Case

Penn State Cancels Paterno Presser

Report: Paterno is on his way out | Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/08/2011

Analysts wonder whether Penn State president can continue | Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/08/2011

Paterno's Son Tells YES Network They Are Working On A Press Conference To Address Scandal, Unaware Of Ouster Rumors

**mixiboi** · 11-08-2011, 01:49 PM

Newseum | Today's Front Pages | The Patriot-News

**Bob_Head** · 11-08-2011, 03:00 PM

The News-Patriot editorial takes it too far. Calling Paterno "the most famous college football coach in history" is a bit over the top.

Otherwise, it was spot on.

**toxigal** · 11-08-2011, 03:27 PM

I think this may be a major hit for Penn State Football, but certainly isn't going to be the fall of Penn State. Despite what a lot of people seem to think there is a lot more to a University than their football team.

**robot** · 11-08-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by toxigal

I think this may be a major hit for Penn State Football, but certainly isn't going to be the fall of Penn State. Despite what a lot of people seem to think there is a lot more to a University than their football team.

True, but I think this is going to hurt Penn State, and not just for the Football team. Alumni giving is certainly going to suffer from this, which will hurt students. I also imagine it will hurt out-of-state student matriculation which is a big money maker for these schools. Earlier in the year there was a big hoopla in the state government about how much money goes to Penn State and other state schools, I'd expect that to come back after this.

**mixiboi** · 11-08-2011, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by toxigal

I think this may be a major hit for Penn State Football, but certainly isn't going to be the fall of Penn State. Despite what a lot of people seem to think there is a lot more to a University than their football team.

Yeah, but this wasn't just covered up by the football department, this has fallout over the entire administration of the school, which effects the entire school.

**scotchrocks** · 11-09-2011, 12:13 PM

Joe-Pa announced he is retiring at the end of the season. What a joke. His contract was up anyway! Did he think an 84-year-old man would be given an extension? He needs to step down NOW. TODAY. He should not take the sidelines ever again. What a disgrace. And the morons who held a pep rally last night up in Happy Valley? Yay let's celebrate pedophilia! Morons.

**mixiboi** · 11-09-2011, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by scotchrocks

Joe-Pa announced he is retiring at the end of the season. What a joke. His contract was up anyway! Did he think an 84-year-old man would be given an extension? He needs to step down NOW. TODAY. He should not take the sidelines ever again. What a disgrace. And the morons who held a pep rally last night up in Happy Valley? Yay let's celebrate pedophilia! Morons.

Just soem facts in here:

Did he think an 84-year-old man would be given an extension? Yeah, they were....He is there million dollar golden goose, this is why they cover this **** up.....

He should not take the sidelines ever again. He hasn't been on the sidelines in over 2 years.

And the morons who held a pep rally last night up in Happy Valley? Yay let's celebrate pedophilia! Morons. They were supporting a man who gave 64 years of his life to a school. Not the guy who actually did the act.

But knowing history..it'll get muddled and Joe Paterno will be the one remember as abusing kids...

**scotchrocks** · 11-09-2011, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by mixiboi

Just soem facts in here:

Did he think an 84-year-old man would be given an extension? Yeah, they were....He is there million dollar golden goose, this is why they cover this **** up.....

He should not take the sidelines ever again. He hasn't been on the sidelines in over 2 years.

And the morons who held a pep rally last night up in Happy Valley? Yay let's celebrate pedophilia! Morons. They were supporting a man who gave 64 years of his life to a school. Not the guy who actually did the act.

But knowing history..it'll get muddled and Joe Paterno will be the one remember as abusing kids...

So, your "facts" and semantics aside, you support Joe Pa in this? Even though he is just as much to blame as the guy who did the deed? Frightening.

**mixiboi** · 11-09-2011, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by scotchrocks

So, your "facts" and semantics aside, you support Joe Pa in this? Even though he is just as much to blame as the guy who did the deed? Frightening.

I don't support him, but I can understand why people would. Its a sad story all around, and its even worst that not one person who saw this or heard about it stopped it out of fear of destroying their lives/the school they work for/go to....

I just hope people don't turn Joe Paterno into the scapegoat and forget that pretty much the whole administration knew and didn't do anything. They all need to go.

**Politburo** · 11-09-2011, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by scotchrocks

Even though he is just as much to blame as the guy who did the deed?

Patently absurd.

He reported it to his superiors. Could he and should he have done more? Sure.

But that does not in any way make him equal to a kid toucher. Get a grip.

**mixiboi** · 11-09-2011, 02:20 PM

People are very sensitive when it comes to kids getting rape....

And here we go:

Report: Spanier Out As Penn State Head

Spanier was Penn State's president and reportedly at odds with Paterno after the Jerry Sandusky sex-abuse scandal broke.

Sources tell the Easton Express that Spanier will either quit or be replaced by the time Penn State's Board of Trustees meet at 7:30 p.m. on Wednesday.

Spanier's ousted was expected as the Penn State sex-abuse grew in past days.

The Board had reportedly told Spanier to keep quiet on Tuesday and one report had Spanier leaving Old Main, Penn State's administrative building, quickly late on Wednesday morning.

Its a shame there isn't enough to charge him too, but then that would mean dragging a 84 year old man through the courts...which I don't think anyone in that part of PA has the heart to do....

**scotchrocks** · 11-09-2011, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Politburo

Patently absurd.

He reported it to his superiors. Could he and should he have done more? Sure.

But that does not in any way make him equal to a kid toucher. Get a grip.

You have got to be kidding. The man is the chief executive of the football program in which the incident took place. No one said he is "equal to a kid toucher." But the blame is nonetheless his. He needs to step down NOW, and this is far from over.

**Politburo** · 11-09-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by scotchrocks

You have got to be kidding. The man is the chief executive of the football program in which the incident took place. No one said he is "equal to a kid toucher." But the blame is nonetheless his. He needs to step down NOW, and this is far from over.

I guess we're in a bizzaro world where "just as much" is somehow a distinct concept from "equal". Learn something new..

I'm not sure there's any incident where a 3rd party has an equal amount of blame as the perpetrator. It's just an absurd concept. The most blame lies with the guy who did it.

**purplesachi** · 11-09-2011, 02:49 PM

i'm not understanding why the person who originally reported it (i.e. the grad student) didn't just go straight to the police (or hell, even kick sandusky's a$$ if he think he saw what he saw)? if you saw someone sexually assaulting a little kid, wouldn't you have stopped him right there on the spot?

**guzzijason** · 11-09-2011, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by purplesachi

i'm not understanding why the person who originally reported it (i.e. the grad student) didn't just go straight to the police (or hell, even kick sandusky's a$$ if he think he saw what he saw)? if you saw someone sexually assaulting a little kid, wouldn't you have stopped him right there on the spot?

I don't know... just speculating, but perhaps in that town people think the athletics staff has more power than the campus police (and they might be right).

__Jason

**Zep** · 11-09-2011, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Politburo

Patently absurd.

He reported it to his superiors. Could he and should he have done more? Sure.

But that does not in any way make him equal to a kid toucher. Get a grip.

This. Definitely this.

**peahen** · 11-09-2011, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by purplesachi

i'm not understanding why the person who originally reported it (i.e. the grad student) didn't just go straight to the police (or hell, even kick sandusky's a$$ if he think he saw what he saw)? if you saw someone sexually assaulting a little kid, wouldn't you have stopped him right there on the spot?

I hate being this cynical, but the assistant who witnessed the event seems to have been promoted pretty generously since then. PSU is said to be launching their own probe of how this was handled. I'd be curious to see if there's any evidence to suggest that this guy was rewarded for protecting the program and keeping the scandal in-house.

I'm also curious about the timing of Sandusky's retirement announcement in '99, shortly after his '98 investigation. Certainly feels like Paterno knew what was up and asked him to step down. Which makes his handling of the 2002 report all the more enraging -- there's no way Paterno didn't know by that point that this guy had a very serious and ongoing problem.

Just awful all around.

To shovel another scoop of crazy on the mountain, the DA who investigated the '98 case and declined to press charges went missing and was recently declared dead?! What the...

**scotchrocks** · 11-09-2011, 03:50 PM

Yes, Joe Pa is not a kid-toucher. Nor is he to blame for someone else's behavior. What I have been trying to get across is that his failure to alert the authorities upon learning of the crime should be punished. He is fully to blame on that count. In my opinion this is not about what the man could have or should have done, but what he was legally and morally bound to do, and what he failed to do. To tell us he is resigning at the end of the season, when all informed parties know that he was not going to be asked to return, is arrogant, ignorant and disgusting. One can disagree or support Joe Paterno in this, but ask yourself, what you would think if it was your kid?

**Freckles** · 11-09-2011, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Politburo

I guess we're in a bizzaro world where "just as much" is somehow a distinct concept from "equal". Learn something new..

I'm not sure there's any incident where a 3rd party has an equal amount of blame as the perpetrator. It's just an absurd concept. The most blame lies with the guy who did it.

Legally, no.

But that since at least 1998 there have been investigations about Sandusky, multiple people saw him abusing/raping boys, many more people were told about it, and not one of them - from the janitor to the university president - did a damn thing about it is beyond disgusting.

For JoePa to call this one of the greatest sadnesses of his life? Puh-leese. He had 9 years to say something and to prevent the destruction of other boys' lives and did what? Oh right. Nothing.