The Fall of Penn State...

**19147** · 11-09-2011, 11:59 PM

Anyone hear about this? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sp...r-mystery.html

I just heard about it today on the radio.

**mixiboi** · 11-10-2011, 12:07 AM

Yeah, the short version of the story:

The DA who oversaw the 1998 investigation in which two detectives secretly overheard Sandusky admit to a mother he had touched her son—resulting in no charges filed—has been missing for six years:

"A member of law enforcement who was in the room with Gricar said the DA was told about the report, and had two police officers hide in the mother's home while Sandusky came to her house to talk about what happened. The meeting, according to the source, was Sandusky's idea. ‘That mother said to the police, ‘He's coming over to explain what happened to me,'' the source said. ‘Ray and the detectives decided that they would go to the house to find out what was going on—to hear what he had to say.' A few days later, Gricar got a report back from police. ‘Ray said ‘I'll be in touch,' and he called the chief or supervisors for those detectives. I don't know what he said, but I know that no investigation or charges were pursued from that point on,' the source said. By June 2, the report was labeled 'unfounded' by Penn State police, and the case was closed. The Penn State police officer who led that investigation, Ron Schreffler, is now retired. When approached in March, Schreffler said he couldn't comment and asked a reporter, ‘How did you see that report?'"

Paterno just release a statement

Paterno issues statement on firing

"I am disappointed with the Board of Trustees' decision, but I have to accept it.

A tragedy occurred, and we all have to have patience to let the legal process proceed. I appreciate the outpouring of support but want to emphasize that everyone should remain calm and please respect the university, its property and all that we value.

I have been incredibly blessed to spend my entire career working with people I love. I am grateful beyond words to all of the coaches, players and staff who have been a part of this program. And to all of our fans and supporters, my family and I will be forever in your debt."

Now he's outside of his house with his wife, both very emotional, the local media on him like vultures...

**toxigal** · 11-10-2011, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by mixiboi

He should not take the sidelines ever again. He hasn't been on the sidelines in over 2 years.

Sure he has. I know he was for the first half of the eatern michigan game this year. I think he has been for at least part of every game since.

**mixiboi** · 11-10-2011, 12:24 AM

Ok, they need to go to bed, past their bedtime:

Penn State Students Flip Over A TV News Van In Solidarity With Incompetent, Morally Complicit Old Relic

**RonMcNasty** · 11-10-2011, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by 19147

Anyone hear about this? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sp...r-mystery.html

I just heard about it today on the radio.

I saw this too. Sex, conspiracy, murder mystery, and football. This scandal has it all!

Seriously though, I think the entire board of directors needs to be ousted. It's amazing that so many people knew about this and let this guy remain affiliated with the university, let alone not reporting to police.

**sometimesilie** · 11-10-2011, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Malloy

If Paterno found out that his grandson was being molested by his colleague, he would have probably done more than report it one time.

That's pretty central to why I think all these pro-Paterno people are mouth-breathing hypocritical &^#@ nuts.

He knew. Why else would Sandusky step down as defensive co-ordinator when he was Joe's heir apparent? In 1999?! Why was Joe Paterno, his good buddy, not at his retirement dinner? Why, in his disgustingly titled book "Touched", did Sandusky rave about other PS coaches but barely mention Joe, his boss of 20 years?

My thoughts are Joe being Joe thought he could handle it better than the authorities and told Sandusky to step retire or else. That's the kind of ego these guys get. Joe Pa reminds me a hell of a lot of a Catholic Bishop in this. The hell with him.

I had a very high opinion of Joe Paterno prior to this but my opinion now is that he's a lowlife SOB.

**BarryG** · 11-10-2011, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by sometimesilie

That's pretty central to why I think all these pro-Paterno people are mouth-breathing hypocritical &^#@ nuts.

He knew. Why else would Sandusky step down as defensive co-ordinator when he was Joe's heir apparent? In 1999?! Why was Joe Paterno, his good buddy, not at his retirement dinner? Why, in his disgustingly titled book "Touched", did Sandusky rave about other PS coaches but barely mention Joe, his boss of 20 years?

My thoughts are Joe being Joe thought he could handle it better than the authorities and told Sandusky to step retire or else. That's the kind of ego these guys get. Joe Pa reminds me a hell of a lot of a Catholic Bishop in this. The hell with him.

I had a very high opinion of Joe Paterno prior to this but my opinion now is that he's a lowlife SOB.

Joe Pa really messed this one up. If he dealt with is swiftly, it would be forgotten by now. But he's tarnished his reputation forever by trying to cover it.

**citykid** · 11-10-2011, 10:32 AM

To heck with it being "forgotten" and saving his reputation. If he had dealt with it swiftly, it may have prevented who knows how many more children from getting molested. THAT's how Joe Pa really messed this one up.

**johnnie** · 11-10-2011, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by sometimesilie

That's pretty central to why I think all these pro-Paterno people are mouth-breathing hypocritical &^#@ nuts.

He knew. Why else would Sandusky step down as defensive co-ordinator when he was Joe's heir apparent? In 1999?! Why was Joe Paterno, his good buddy, not at his retirement dinner? Why, in his disgustingly titled book "Touched", did Sandusky rave about other PS coaches but barely mention Joe, his boss of 20 years?

My thoughts are Joe being Joe thought he could handle it better than the authorities and told Sandusky to step retire or else. That's the kind of ego these guys get. Joe Pa reminds me a hell of a lot of a Catholic Bishop in this. The hell with him.

I had a very high opinion of Joe Paterno prior to this but my opinion now is that he's a lowlife SOB.

He knew what? I'm curious as to what exactly McQueary told JoePA. If it was detailed, JoePa rightfully was ousted. If it was more along the lines of maybe I saw something inappropriate, then JoePa did the appropriate thing and went to his superiors. Sure he should have followed up with his superiors and possibly he did. We don't know but JoePa does seem remorseful for not doing more.

Also, Sandusky was pissed off because in 1999 JoePa said he would not be his successor as promised, hence his retirement. Maybe there is more to it though.

I'm curious as to all the details of this case. The Grand Jury is not necessarily fact as far as I know, though Sandusky is a scumbag. There is no way all of these charges against that monster aren't somewhat factual.

**johnnie** · 11-10-2011, 11:15 AM

Looks like this may get much, much more sickening, if that's possible.

Beaver County Times Writer Tells Radio Station That Sandusky May Have Been "Pimping Out" Boys to Donors - Crossing Broad

**Gladys** · 11-10-2011, 11:28 AM

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A Guide To The Child Sexual Abuse Charges Against Jerry Sandusky, And To Penn State's Alleged Willful Ignorance

ugh - this is sick. and the people being fired obviously should be. I think anyone who objects has not read this article or one just like it. if it were my kid loosing their job would have been the least of their worries.

**mixiboi** · 11-10-2011, 11:30 AM

This just in from the new head coach:

NBCPhiladelphia: RT @colinmacaulay: Mike McQueary will coach on Saturday, Bradey says. Not determined whether he'll be upstairs or on the sideline.

This is why this whole firing Joe Paterno is just a scapegoat just to get this fire off their back. As long as the person who saw the actual disgusting RAPE and DID NOTHING is still coaching, this is just an injustice to every single victim.

**BarryG** · 11-10-2011, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by citykid

To heck with it being "forgotten" and saving his reputation. If he had dealt with it swiftly, it may have prevented who knows how many more children from getting molested. THAT's how Joe Pa really messed this one up.

You're 100% right. I mean that his hubris and attempt to protect himself and the program ended up tarnishing both.

**Sailaway** · 11-10-2011, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by johnnie

Looks like this may get much, much more sickening, if that's possible.

Beaver County Times Writer Tells Radio Station That Sandusky May Have Been "Pimping Out" Boys to Donors - Crossing Broad

Well, I'd like to hear more than a rumor. But, that said, if this is substantiated in any way, just...wow...this is getting more stomach-turning by the minute...

Edit: While doing some poking around, I found this:

http://www.timesonline.com/columnist...a4bcf6878.html

Seems this has been brewing since spring.

**salf** · 11-10-2011, 12:29 PM

Watching all this unfold, I heard someone on the radio raising some interesting points:

- If one day, out of the blue, someone comes to me and says that my coworker and business partner for 20 or so years is raping kids, It would be pretty hard for me to process and believe. It's so out there and revolting that I would doubt it's true, which I guess is what Paterno felt, still he went on and report it right away to his superiors (the same day he called them and had a meeting the next day).

-If you know that the College higher ups are already handling the situation, and probably the police is on it as well, what else could you do?

I mean, what else can someone do, when even the Police and District Attorney investigate the allegations and decide not to press charges? Any ordinary person would think that nothing was actually going on.

**Politburo** · 11-10-2011, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by salf

Watching all this unfold, I heard someone on the radio raising some interesting points:

- If one day, out of the blue, someone comes to me and says that my coworker and business partner for 20 or so years is raping kids, It would be pretty hard for me to process and believe. It's so out there and revolting that I would doubt it's true, which I guess is what Paterno felt, still he went on and report it right away to his superiors (the same day he called them and had a meeting the next day).

-If you know that the College higher ups are already handling the situation, and probably the police is on it as well, what else could you do?

I mean, what else can someone do, when even the Police and District Attorney investigate the allegations and decide not to press charges? Any ordinary person would think that nothing was actually going on.

That all makes sense.

However, if you made the assumption that the allegation was unfounded, why would you go on to hire the guy who told you about it?

Any way you look at it there's something that just doesn't add up.

**toxigal** · 11-10-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by salf

Watching all this unfold, I heard someone on the radio raising some interesting points:

- If one day, out of the blue, someone comes to me and says that my coworker and business partner for 20 or so years is raping kids, It would be pretty hard for me to process and believe. It's so out there and revolting that I would doubt it's true, which I guess is what Paterno felt, still he went on and report it right away to his superiors (the same day he called them and had a meeting the next day).

-If you know that the College higher ups are already handling the situation, and probably the police is on it as well, what else could you do?

I mean, what else can someone do, when even the Police and District Attorney investigate the allegations and decide not to press charges? Any ordinary person would think that nothing was actually going on.

i would like to hope that most people would ere on the side of caution and sit down with the person who was reporting it them and call the police. There is nothing to suggest that Paterno told McQueary he should contact the police. That's "what else you could do". Contact the police. I'm having a hard time comprehending why this is not considered the only appropriate response.

**toxigal** · 11-10-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by mixiboi

This just in from the new head coach:

NBCPhiladelphia: RT @colinmacaulay: Mike McQueary will coach on Saturday, Bradey says. Not determined whether he'll be upstairs or on the sideline.

This is why this whole firing Joe Paterno is just a scapegoat just to get this fire off their back. As long as the person who saw the actual disgusting RAPE and DID NOTHING is still coaching, this is just an injustice to every single victim.

i don't think anyone thinks that firing joe paterno is getting a fire off their back. i do think all the comments i'm hearing (not hear) about JoePa being the "face" of Penn State are sad. Football is a game. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan and really enjoy the game. But it is a game. The coach of a football team should not be given god status, and JoePa was pretty darn close.

**robot** · 11-10-2011, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by sometimesilie

He knew. Why else would Sandusky step down as defensive co-ordinator when he was Joe's heir apparent? In 1999?! Why was Joe Paterno, his good buddy, not at his retirement dinner? Why, in his disgustingly titled book "Touched", did Sandusky rave about other PS coaches but barely mention Joe, his boss of 20 years?

This is very interesting to me. Paterno et al. knowing about Sandusky's pedophilia fits pretty well with his retirement in 1999. If already knew about Sandusky in 1999, then it makes his failure to report the rape to the Police especially terrible. I hope one of these kids sues the crap out of Paterno and Penn State for letting this guy have access to their facilities if they knew or suspected he was a pedophile.

**guzzijason** · 11-10-2011, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by johnnie

He knew what? I'm curious as to what exactly McQueary told JoePA. If it was detailed, JoePa rightfully was ousted. If it was more along the lines of maybe I saw something inappropriate, then JoePa did the appropriate thing and went to his superiors. Sure he should have followed up with his superiors and possibly he did. We don't know but JoePa does seem remorseful for not doing more.

So, this was his testimony to the Grand Jury:

"Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

Seems like he knew enough.

__Jason