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    Phila cops get new contract. since 2008 it works out to be around 19 percent. wow

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    It is not a new contract. It is the arbitrated wage reopener of the last two years of a five year contract.

    I don't have all the numbers in front of me, but I believe the wage increase is more like 12-13 percent over the life of the contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by O.H. Lee View Post
    It is not a new contract. It is the arbitrated wage reopener of the last two years of a five year contract.

    I don't have all the numbers in front of me, but I believe the wage increase is more like 12-13 percent over the life of the contract.
    How long is the contract?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malloy View Post
    How long is the contract?
    5 years

    I believe the wage increases awarded by the neutral arbitrator were:
    0, 3, 4, 3, 3 %
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    Quote Originally Posted by O.H. Lee View Post
    5 years

    I believe the wage increases awarded by the neutral arbitrator were:
    0, 3, 4, 3, 3 %
    Pretty standard these days. Nothing for anyone to get outraged at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by five apples View Post
    Pretty standard these days. Nothing for anyone to get outraged at.
    so he should have no problem paying the other unions then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    so he should have no problem paying the other unions then.

    You don't want to underpay your police. Just make sure they're putting in honest time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy ross View Post
    You don't want to underpay your police. Just make sure they're putting in honest time.
    there is a problem in that arbitrators don't take into account municipalities' ability to pay. not saying this is or isn't outrageous but the arbitration process itself, dating back to act 111 in the 60's, is pretty union friendly and it's one of the primary causes of today's problems across the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy ross View Post
    You don't want to underpay your police. Just make sure they're putting in honest time.
    there is a problem in that arbitrators don't take into account municipalities' ability to pay. not saying this is or isn't outrageous but the arbitration process itself, dating back to act 111 in the 60's, is pretty union friendly and it's one of the primary causes of today's problems across the state. In philly i.understand the problem is the number of cops not in the field and an unusually large nunber of mgmt positions that are union giving the commissioner less control than most cities.
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    I don't know about that. I have seen some pretty crappy awards (for us) that the neutral arbitrator handed down in favor of the city.

    Ramsey has a lot more control than you think. I would personally love to see more cops in car and beats in the districts instead of special units and desk jobs. But many of them are being taken care of and nothing will change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    so he should have no problem paying the other unions then.
    I am sure they all will be using it as an example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    so he should have no problem paying the other unions then.
    I have no problem with that at all. What I would have an issue with is that the Unions continue not to have to contribute to their own retirement funds or pay little for their own healthcare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    so he should have no problem paying the other unions then.
    I have no problem with that at all. What I would have an issue with is that the Unions continue not to have to contribute to their own retirement funds or pay little for their own healthcare.
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    The differences, supposedly

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    Quote Originally Posted by five apples View Post
    I have no problem with that at all. What I would have an issue with is that the Unions continue not to have to contribute to their own retirement funds or pay little for their own healthcare.
    I thought they do pay into pension. The issue is the amount I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raider.adam View Post
    I thought they do pay into pension. The issue is the amount I thought.
    We do pay into our pension.

    Currently 3 different tiers depending on when you were hired.

    With the last tier an option for a shared 401k.
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