Second Casino proposed for stadium complex

**eldondre** · 11-02-2012, 07:46 AM

Group eyes casino-hotel at sports complex's Holiday Inn

Green said his group plans to add a 200,000-square-foot casino and entertainment complex at the front of the Holiday Inn. Although the 10-story hotel would remain intact, he said, it would be redesigned as an upscale boutique hotel under a different brand.

Stadium Casino L.L.C. would own both the hotel and a casino that would house 2,000 slot machines and 125 table games. The complex also would feature fitness and spa facilities, a pool, six restaurants, a live music venue, a rooftop party deck, and a parking garage with about 2,500 spaces

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**mixiboi** · 11-02-2012, 08:31 AM

Sounds like Sugarhouse 2. And its too "close" to Harrah's...wont pass..

**BarryG** · 11-02-2012, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by mixiboi

Sounds like Sugarhouse 2. And its too "close" to Harrah's...wont pass..

Six restaurants, garage, music venue, sounds like Sugar house?

**Jayfar** · 11-02-2012, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by mixiboi

Sounds like Sugarhouse 2. And its too "close" to Harrah's...wont pass..

Maybe not too close, if Cordish president Joe Weinberg is being truthful:

Doug Harbach, spokesman for the Gaming Control Board, said there was no distance requirement for the two Philadelphia casinos, both of which will have so-called Category 2 licenses.

"There is, however, a distance requirement of 10 linear miles for a Category 2 [standalone] facility in Philadelphia from a Category 1 racetrack casino," Harbach said.

Weinberg said his group's casino met that criterion: It would be 11 miles from Harrah's Philadelphia Casino & Racetrack in Chester.

**Brian616** · 11-02-2012, 09:33 AM

This is such a no-brainer that I'm sure someone will screw it up.

**eldondre** · 11-02-2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Brian616

This is such a no-brainer that I'm sure someone will screw it up.

so far I'd say blatstein's is a much better proposal. sugarhouse has highway access so it's not like that's unique. this one has a shot since, well, the reason they stuck the stadiums down there is because no one could agree on where to move any one of them. blatstein's location is unique in the sense it's accessible on foot, by car, by subway, and regional rail.

**mixiboi** · 11-02-2012, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by BarryG

Six restaurants, garage, music venue, sounds like Sugar house?

Sugarhouse also has/had a grand design then it got widdle down to reality. Lower expectations, especially coming from a thing called "Stadium Casino L.L.C."

**JakeL** · 11-02-2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by mixiboi

Sounds like Sugarhouse 2. And its too "close" to Harrah's...wont pass..

Just outside the 10 mile barrier:
Radius Around a Point on a Map

**Dave** · 11-02-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by eldondre

[...] , and regional rail.

Do you really expect people who arrive on regional rail to walk that far? :P

Ok, ok, so they might take a cab. Maybe.

**raider.adam** · 11-02-2012, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by eldondre

so far I'd say blatstein's is a much better proposal. sugarhouse has highway access so it's not like that's unique. this one has a shot since, well, the reason they stuck the stadiums down there is because no one could agree on where to move any one of them. blatstein's location is unique in the sense it's accessible on foot, by car, by subway, and regional rail.

And easy access for people from outside the area.

**Naveen** · 11-02-2012, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by eldondre

so far I'd say blatstein's is a much better proposal. sugarhouse has highway access so it's not like that's unique. this one has a shot since, well, the reason they stuck the stadiums down there is because no one could agree on where to move any one of them. blatstein's location is unique in the sense it's accessible on foot, by car, by subway, and regional rail.

Plus close to a lot of hotel rooms and of course the PCC.

Personally, I put boosting CC a higher priority than the Stadium District.

**Eames** · 11-02-2012, 12:11 PM

This is where a casino belongs. I wish them all the success in the world. It rounds out a really significant "entertainment district" within the city while not getting in the way of residential neighborhoods. I really hope no one messes up this perfect opportunity.

**mixiboi** · 11-02-2012, 12:18 PM

"belongs" = out of the way, away from everyone, and doesn't bother any community....

That is why the sport complex exists in the first place...

**eldondre** · 11-02-2012, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dave

Do you really expect people who arrive on regional rail to walk that far? :P

Ok, ok, so they might take a cab. Maybe.

Half a mile is a pretty reasonable distance...even by sloth standards. Not everyone but some.

**bootsywannabe** · 11-02-2012, 03:15 PM

Casinos are the ultimate form of Crony Capitalism. This is going to save our high tax high regulation City somehow? You couldn't design a more politician heavy industry. For Chrissakes, it required and received a change in the PA State Constitution. So they can have a legal monopoly - provided they work with the right politicians - on running a gambling house in that area.

Casinos, huge convention centers, it's all a bunch of BS that won't work. None of this will enable the high tax high regulation climate to succeed. It will just allow some politically connected individuals and their corporations to succeed. The rest of us will get basically nothing, except some purported tax revenue that the School District will waste on their own salaries, pensions, etc.

Great system Rendell

**Dave** · 11-02-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by bootsywannabe

Casinos are the ultimate form of Crony Capitalism. This is going to save our high tax high regulation City somehow? You couldn't design a more politician heavy industry. For Chrissakes, it required and received a change in the PA State Constitution. So they can have a legal monopoly - provided they work with the right politicians - on running a gambling house in that area.

Casinos, huge convention centers, it's all a bunch of BS that won't work. None of this will enable the high tax high regulation climate to succeed. It will just allow some politically connected individuals and their corporations to succeed. The rest of us will get basically nothing, except some purported tax revenue that the School District will waste on their own salaries, pensions, etc.

Great system Rendell

I agree that it's pretty much lazy people putting lipstick on a pig. I love to see my wage tax go down, as I contentedly sit with my non-Philly based job with "flexible location" perks or whatever. Other people who actually need a job may disagree... or they may not really care because they live elsewhere

**bootsywannabe** · 11-02-2012, 04:50 PM

It's Socialist planning for the great leap forward. Central Planning. Everything has to go through City council and the Mayor. What a disaster and a sick joke for the birthplace of our Nation. As always, the political class and their associates will do well, very well. The rest of us will eat cake. We will not have the same opportunities or tax advantages. We will be able to spend all our money at the casino though, maybe even work as prostitutes if we're lucky.

**2happy4u** · 11-02-2012, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by mixiboi

Sounds like Sugarhouse 2. And its too "close" to Harrah's...wont pass..

How far apart are they in AC??? That has nothing to do with it.

**Baloo** · 11-02-2012, 06:54 PM

Honestly do we really need another Casino? Sugarhouse isn't that far...I don't want to see a casino this close to South Philly.

Casinos are not as nice as people think they are. Look at Atlantic City. Even when casinos were booming, they turned the whole town into a wasteland.

**Jayfar** · 11-02-2012, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by 2happy4u

How far apart are they in AC??? That has nothing to do with it.

Well yes it does. The law requires it to be at least 10 miles linear distance from Harrah's, as previously discussed. The developer claims it is more than 10 miles.