Nutter to speak at DNC:Is this the moment we'll know if he will abandon us?

**mixiboi** · 08-25-2012, 01:27 AM

With those rumors floating around...this could be it:

Flattering Listage - Curbed Philly

The Democratic National Convention Committee announced this morning that Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter will be among the speakers when the party's convention is held in Charlotte, N.C. in the first week of September.

Prime time for nutter(and Corey of Newark too).

**mixiboi** · 09-05-2012, 07:53 AM

I like the word abandon when it comes to describing politicians leaving their post(see Christie)..

Anyway, he goes on around 8pm tonight.....and now that rumor of him joining Obama in DC is popping up on the national news networks....

**BarryG** · 09-05-2012, 09:13 AM

How will his speech let us know he will leave of offered?

The National News is probably just repeating the rumors they read from our local news.

**Gladys** · 09-05-2012, 09:31 AM

He can't let CLarke become mayor. If i remember correctly that is the gentleman who wanted to pass a bill banning temple students from renting houses? Again if i remember correctly we might as well reverse all the progress altogether.

**raider.adam** · 09-05-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by BarryG

How will his speech let us know he will leave of offered?

It won't.

**seand** · 09-05-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Gladys

If i remember correctly that is the gentleman who wanted to pass a bill banning temple students from renting house

In fairness, it was hardball to get everyone lined up behind student landlords paying extra taxes for clean-ups and safety to a special services district, which the anti-gentrification neighbors complained about anyway. "Boohoo those landlords are picking up the bill to improve our quality of life, its a terrible conspiracy."

**TeddyP27** · 09-05-2012, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gladys

He can't let CLarke become mayor. If i remember correctly that is the gentleman who wanted to pass a bill banning temple students from renting houses? Again if i remember correctly we might as well reverse all the progress altogether.

No No No No No No No No No!! Please not Clarke! (Happy place.. find my happy place...)

**billy ross** · 09-05-2012, 11:35 AM

Th new rumor is that Clarke, who is next in line, doesn't want it so he steps aside and the ball goes to the next one down the line, who is Green and who desperately wants the ball.

**seand** · 09-05-2012, 11:53 AM

How would Green possibly be next in line? If he were to step aside it would temporary with the President of Council anyway. They would have to schedule a special election at the next possible election.

**raider.adam** · 09-05-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by seand

How would Green possibly be next in line? If he were to step aside it would temporary with the President of Council anyway. They would have to schedule a special election at the next possible election.

If there is a Mayoral vacancy, President fills the role until special election. If President resigns or is unable to serve, Chairman of the Finance Committee takes the spot.

Clarke, technically, doesn't get to go "no thanks". He would have to resign as President to avoid the position. Of course nothing stops him from being re-elected to President again.

**seand** · 09-05-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by raider.adam

If there is a Mayoral vacancy, President fills the role until special election. If President resigns or is unable to serve, Chairman of the Finance Committee takes the spot.

Clarke, technically, doesn't get to go "no thanks". He would have to resign as President to avoid the position. Of course nothing stops him from being re-elected to President again.

Well as much as Green might like that, it seems about as likely as me finding a winning lottery ticket on the street, considering all the moving pieces involved.

**raider.adam** · 09-05-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by seand

Well as much as Green might like that, it seems about as likely as me finding a winning lottery ticket on the street, considering all the moving pieces involved.

Actually I just thought of why this rumor holds no water. Green would have to resign to run in the special election unless he plans on just being a temporary mayor for 2 months and have to run against a possible incumbent 2 years later.

**seand** · 09-05-2012, 12:49 PM

So if Nutter is shopping for an appointment, why would we believe he's shopping for an appointment sooner than say 2010 (which might include Clarke as a short term place holder).

**Naveen** · 09-05-2012, 01:07 PM

Nutter won't leave.

**govtstatistic** · 09-05-2012, 01:13 PM

1 set of rules for our elites , and another set of rules for everyyone else
maybe he will talk about how well pha, hud and germantown settlement and ,or how green and ackermann have never been even accused of ripping off the taxpayers. im sure the federal government had their hands all over these political thefts as well: which they conveniently ignore.
or how well we can lose taxpayer money
or how we can continue to raise taxes , or how all this extra money is benefiting the poor in our fine state,
what a glorious day
or quite a few other problems that have been so conveniently put on the back burners , or how the federal government can remove them from the heat so easily
or maybe how well these fraudulently retirement system is working out here in philly.

Like they say we can not blame everything on the government, ask not what our govt can do for you ask what you can do for our govt and the debt
they get paid either way
especially for not doing their job , and ignoring these thefts

**raider.adam** · 09-05-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Naveen

Nutter won't leave.

Agreed.

**billy ross** · 09-05-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by raider.adam

Actually I just thought of why this rumor holds no water. Green would have to resign to run in the special election unless he plans on just being a temporary mayor for 2 months and have to run against a possible incumbent 2 years later.

No he wouldn't. He'd run as an incumbent for reelection. Sometimes you just don't get it - in order for Green even try to become mayor, he can't be councilman anymore. He wants to be mayor, not councilman. He'll jump at the chance to make that jump, if Nutter gives it to him.

**raider.adam** · 09-05-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by billy ross

No he wouldn't. He'd run as an incumbent for reelection. Sometimes you just don't get it - in order for Green even try to become mayor, he can't be councilman anymore. He wants to be mayor, not councilman. He'll jump at the chance to make that jump, if Nutter gives it to him.

I don't agree with that interpretation (and stop being a dick). The law specifically says unless you are running for re-election, you have to resign to run. Since the special election is to fill a vacancy, you can't run for re-election to a vacant office (and one you were never elected to). It breaks the wording of the law and the spirit of the law. If he tried to in that scenario, I am sure others that will be running for special election will be suing him in court over it. And in that short of campaign window, I doubt he would want all the negative press of being sued over illegally running for an election as well as the possibility that the courts rule he is unable to run.

**seand** · 09-05-2012, 04:48 PM

Its the type of thing worth pulling out the actual language of the city charter for but as I recall Adam has the wording correct. Green wants to be mayor, so much so that he won't take an interim fill-in position that would block him from running legitamately.

Rumore mongers are rarely legal experts.

**raider.adam** · 09-05-2012, 05:13 PM

No officer or employee of the City, except elected officers running for re-election, shall be a candidate for nomination or election to any public office unless he shall have first resigned from his then office or employment.

And the annotation:

5. Officers and employees, except officers running for re-election, must resign before becoming candidates for nomination or election to public office. This requirement is imposed because an officer or employee who is a candidate for elective office is in a position to influence unduly and to intimidate employees under his supervision and because he may neglect his official duties in the interest of his candidacy.

So the intent of the law would be exactly against the idea of an interim office holder being able to run for that office.

And the penalty:

Any officer or employee of the City who violates any of the foregoing provisions of this section shall, in addition to any penalties provided for hereafter, be ineligible for one year for any office or position under the City.

So if he lost a court case, he could actually be barred from elected office for a year, which would be a big setback. A Special Election would not be him running for re-election.