North Sudan bombs South Sudan, where's the US ?

[hkp]

WHo made US the moral police ESPECIALLY when we are spreading misery thruu out the world via inflation, propping up tin-pot dictators, 'supporting' tyranical revolutions, etc, etc?

We spread our "values of peace, freedom and democratically-elected representative governments" to Egypt and Libya (just noting recent occurrences not Obama bashing and giving others a pass) and it got us the likes of the muslim brotherhood. And none of these countries pose any threat to America and we have no business putting our noses into their business

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[jester]

Also, the last I'd heard, we hadn't quite completely recovered from this downward facing economy, at least in perception if not in reality. Between getting out of Iraq, dealing with the Taliban, and keeping an eye on Iran and North Korea, the U.S. has enough to worry about without getting involved militarily. The Sudanese and South Sudanese need to have some serious and binding negotiations about the border, because right now it's just a "he said, she said" dispute that ends up getting innocent people along the borderlines killed over the petulance and greed of their respective governments.

Any chance we might want to support the South Sudanese people and their representative government against the murderous North Sudanese government? Also, protecting South Sudanese Christians from slaughter based on their religion, at the hands of North Sudanese, might be a good idea as well. Nothing like supporting the national sovereignty of countries with representative, democratically elected governments which support political and religious freedom, as a strong foreign policy. As usual, the Obama administration will cave-in to the North Sudanese. Any chance Obama doesn't support the South Sudanese people because,
(1) George W. Bush was a strong supporter of South Sudan.
(2) The South Sudanese are predominantly Christian. (Wouldn't want to offend those North Sudanese Muslims)
(3) The North Sudanese are allayed with Chinese oil companies.

I'm not sure what you want the U.S. to do, in an immediate sense. Do you want a bombing raid over Khartoum? That sounds like a fabulous idea. Or do you want the U.S. to put troops on the ground tomorrow? Things are already well on their way in diplomatic channels, for whatever it's worth to you.

Do you really and honestly believe that Obama doesn't support South Sudan for your reasons one and two? Regarding #1, sure, Obama ran on a platform of getting troops out of Bush's Iraq, and a significant number of people in the U.S. wanted that. Don't forget that Obama increased the number of troops in Afghanistan, where Bush also sent troops.

Regarding #2, I don't think Obama's worried about sending more troops to anywhere that he feels needs them. It's still too early to say what we'll do in South Sudan, if anything, but earlier this year Obama laid the groundwork for military aid to go directly to South Sudan if they want it. And, of course, you do realize that over the past several years the U.S. has sent millions of dollars in aid to Sudan, a good chunk of which went directly to the South Sudanese army. And I'm sure you also realize that South Sudan also has a bit of an internal problem with tribal warfare, not to mention a particularly noisome record on human rights, with particular regard to child soldiers. So if we're going to send military aid there, it might be best to make sure it doesn't eventually get used against their own citizens. Besides, the last thing the U.S. needs on its hands is anything that even approaches the appearance of a religious proxy war.

Regarding #3, do you actually mean "allayed"? Or "allied"? Or something else? Assuming you mean allied, I'm sure the U.S. has taken that into consideration. But if I remember right, most of the oil wealth, both potential and tapped, is in South Sudan. If anything, I'd think the Chinese oil companies you speak of would be worried and upset about the fighting.

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I think a lot of people are tired of the U.S. playing world police. Sure, we don't want anything that could be termed a genocide to happen anywhere while we sit back and hem and haw about what we should do, but the U.S. can't possibly get involved in every conflict all over the world. What about when Christians kill, maim, or persecute other Christians, which has happened (and continues) in several African countries for decades? Or when Christians and Muslims fight in those same sovereign nations? What do you want to do about that?

[LUCas]

Are we going to turn a blind eye to continuing genocide against South Sudanese Christians by the Muslim-dominated North Sudanese Government?.

Are you? I provided links to ways you can help. Which paths have you chosen?

[NickTheCage]

Quote Originally Posted by ACretin View Post
Are we going to turn a blind eye to continuing genocide against South Sudanese Christians by the Muslim-dominated North Sudanese Government

?.

Are you? I provided links to ways you can help. Which paths have you chosen?

He's going to come running back here claiming he donated money to KONY 2012

[ACretin]

Yeah no **** South Sudan has a lot of natural resources, maybe that's why the North Sudanese are bombing them, to try to take the oil fields ?

If we had a President who hadn't gone around apologizing for our foreign policy in the first place, and who actually had some balls and new how to use them, we wouldn't need to do much except warn North Sudan in strong terms to get the f out of south sudan. maybe pull a new aircraft carrier up close by, and put some temporary bases in south sudan or nearby perhaps. not that complicated. being a pussy has repercussions: nobody takes anything you say seriously, and they will call your bluff. because of our crappy foreign policy team, we may only have military intervention of some sort as an option in scenarios like this, because we have a reputation for being self-sabotaging wimps.

[3rd&Brown]

Can you stop titling each response with a header as if it's a new thread topic?

You're giving me a headache.

And please please. Whatever meds you're usually on which you stopped taking because you think you're well again...please go back on them.

[ACretin]

I wish the Obama foreign policy team would go back on their meds, or better yet, resign. They are an abject failure. Another squandered opportunity.

Fouad Ajami: America's Syria Abdication - WSJ.com

If you can't read it today, it should be available tomorrow for free.

[Marquis]

If Fouad Ajami said it, it must be true.