The NAACP in Two Sentences

[NickTheCage]

“You cannot possibly talk about jobs for black people at the level he’s coming from. He’s talking about entrepreneurship, savings accounts — black people can barely find a way to get back and forth from work”

-Charlette Stoker Manning Chairwoman of Women in NAACP.

[seand]

Its customary when you are trying to pick a fight with a quotation to also post the source so as to prove you aren't just pulling the quote from your butt.

[Templeton]

Assuming the quote is true, whats factually incorrect about that statement? It takes money to be an entrepreneur, and since Black people only achieved full freedom (Economic and social) about 50 years ago, it would seem logical that there is little to no wealth (not income) to draw from.

[NickTheCage]

It's quite an appropriate and revealing comment as it pertains to the views of the left. They (the left) are the most racist people out there. They believe that African americans in particular are incapable of navigating life without their (lefts) assistance. Their programs and this statement says so.

[LUCas]

It's quite an appropriate and revealing comment as it pertains to the views of the left. They (the left) are the most racist people out there.

If they (the left) are the most racist people out there, why is it you who repeatedly posts about race? Or do you actually believe that your obsession with the topic is completely benign and neutral?

[seand]

I know thats your perspective but can provide a source and context?

Also isn't it a little odd to be calling the NAACP (old black folks who were part of the civil rights generation) "limosine liberals"?

[NickTheCage]

If they (the left) are the most racist people out there, why is it you who repeatedly posts about race? Or do you actually believe that your obsession with the topic is completely benign and neutral?

Because it's a message board with a predominant left leaning membership. The enjoy calling someone who believes in individual freedom and liberty a racist for various reasons and I am just here to show them they are wrong

[NickTheCage]

I know thats your perspective but can provide a source and context?

Also isn't it a little odd to be calling the NAACP (old black folks who were part of the civil rights generation) "limosine liberals"?

With out the race hustle Charlette Manning and her ilk are out of business. I didn't discuss the mebership

[NickTheCage]

Assuming the quote is true, whats factually incorrect about that statement? It takes money to be an entrepreneur, and since Black people only achieved full freedom (Economic and social) about 50 years ago, it would seem logical that there is little to no wealth (not income) to draw from.

Neither did the jews that fled Europe b4 and after the holocaust and/or the Cubans that fled Castro in the 80's. The black community was much more self reliant and successful prior to 1965

[seand]

Just checking. Since no context or source, I googled.
We are talking about this cheesy "spiritual" inspirational speaker turned business management lecturer lady, right?
Charlette Manning - The Business of Forgiveness

Or this "fit and fifty" wellness coach lady?
Rev. Dr. Charlette Stokes Manning | Health and Wellness A Matter of life and Wealth

Both of whom, I would take with a grain of salt as "pure" representations of any particular ideological bent.

[LUCas]

The enjoy calling someone who believes in individual freedom and liberty a racist for various reasons and I am just here to show them they are wrong

You're proving your not a racist by constantly posting about race? Got it.

[NickTheCage]

You're proving your not a racist by constantly posting about race? Got it.

Glad I got your approval. I'm just hear to show you what policies have completely destroyed the AA community (in the past 50 years) and it all began with LBJ's and the lefts 'Great' Society. It is a current event which I am discussing and if I'm guilty of racism b/ I speak the truth, I'm guilty as charged.

[Templeton]

Neither did the jews that fled Europe b4 and after the holocaust and/or the Cubans that fled Castro in the 80's. The black community was much more self reliant and successful prior to 1965

I'm pretty sure that the Jews who fled Europe, and the Cubans from Cuba had Money and Education when they arrived. In fact, it was their wealth and education that allowed them to do so. To this day Jews are collecting on art and property stolen from them. Not an even comparison.

Can you point to an article discussing how successful Blacks were prior to 1965? Blacks were doing better before civil rights? This is news to me. I thought this was the time period when successful Blacks were called uppity, and likely to get lynched.

[fishcatch]

One of the genius things about socialism is that it keeps the people down by putting them in state of perpetual reliance on powers in charge. No one can ever truly advance because they are unable to gather the resources for entrepreneurship, or they can't access the education required for advancement in career. The handouts do help some people who are temporarily in need, but they also create a culture of dependence in allowing people to make lifetime careers out of welfare.

Personally I'd rather see affirmative action than public assistance.

Socialism also needs a constant source of strife so that the state can pretend to be the great protector.

This is one thing that Nick The Cage didn't mention - I say it's the drug war. That policy has turned lower income, predominantly AA communities into war zones of gang violence and havens for junkies, as crime syndicates fight over turf and the weak are preyed upon by the dealers to become addicts so that they can be in business.

Can you just imagine if the billions of dollars in money and manpower that goes to the supposed drug war was instead allocated to building schools, recreation centers, community gardens, etc? The drug dealers would be out of business and the people of those communities would have a real chance to make their own destinies.

But you don't see a lot of people having the nerve to point this out, because the state has so successfully convinced all of the "good" people in this country that the war on drugs is in the name of public good. This is why people call Ron Paul a "kook" for advocating a repeal of drug prohibition.

[NickTheCage]

I'm pretty sure that the Jews who fled Europe, and the Cubans from Cuba had Money and Education when they arrived. In fact, it was their wealth and education that allowed them to do so. To this day Jews are collecting on art and property stolen from them. Not an even comparison.

You can't be serious with this, are you? Majority of Jews who fled Europe (predominately Germany) prior to the holocaust had their property stolen. The ones who actually survived the holocaust had no wealth, did they? Each one of my ancestors came here with nothing, nada b4 and after WW2.

Cubans, do you know any? If you understand Cuba, any Cuban with any type of wealth works(ed) for the govt and continue to do so. Majority of refugees fled with the shirts on their backs. Please tell me you aren't serious, are you??? Education .. are u really trying to compare a cuban education under Castro to a black's education in America. If you want to have that discussion I'll go there.

Next myth you'll tell me is that all the Indians, Koreans, Paki's, etc, that come here from Asia and work and/or then start a business come over with suit cases full of dough? Some do now but please, the majority don't, especially the ones who came over in the 80's.

Can you point to an article discussing how successful Blacks were prior to 1965? Blacks were doing better before civil rights? This is news to me. I thought this was the time period when successful Blacks were called uppity, and likely to get lynched.

There is tons of research and data on the family unit in the black community and their success and what has happened since 1965. Two major things, The Great Society and all that came after/with it. Once government replaced the parents it is over for any community. Two, the War on drugs (and all the govt. that came after it) which is racist and predominately targets men of color which also does damage to the family, community, etc, etc .. Just look at the unemployment rate stats, wealth stats, etc, ... if you think the community is better off now fine but you are looking at one thing (civil rights) and you can't see the forest for the trees.

[NickTheCage]

This is one thing that Nick The Cage didn't mention - I say it's the drug war. That policy has turned lower income, predominantly AA communities into war zones of gang violence and havens for junkies, as crime syndicates fight over turf and the weak are preyed upon by the dealers to become addicts so that they can be in business.

Can you just imagine if the billions of dollars in money and manpower that goes to the supposed drug war was instead allocated to building schools, recreation centers, community gardens, etc? The drug dealers would be out of business and the people of those communities would have a real chance to make their own destinies.

But you don't see a lot of people having the nerve to point this out, because the state has so successfully convinced all of the "good" people in this country that the war on drugs is in the name of public good. This is why people call Ron Paul a "kook" for advocating a repeal of drug prohibition.

Just did .. solid post and remember "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

[five apples]

I think this thread screams for a locking, it is pure race baiting and nothing good shall come of it.

[NickTheCage]

I think this thread screams for a locking, it is pure race baiting and nothing good shall come of it.

How is this race baiting?

It is National news when a POTUS candidate and the VP address the NAACP and this is the reaction we get. It has been on the news for the past 28 hrs

We are having a civil discussion on what some see as pros and others as cons of the NAACP and/or whatever may evolve from it. If this topic makes you uncomfortable don't read and/or post in it. Please explain why you are scared to have a civil discussion on this topic and why you would want to lock this thread?

[darthsinatra]

Nothing good shall come of it.

unless a certain someone gets banned for it!

[NickTheCage]

unless a certain someone gets banned for it!

Why would anyone get banned in this thread?

Serious question .. what would warrant that?