The NAACP in Two Sentences

[BarryG]

And you think that's because of the civil rights movement? Your assertion as it relates to timing might be true, but where's the cause and effect? Guess what else happened around the time of the civil rights movement....cocaine.

We have already discussed what the War on drugs has done. Why do you continue to leave out The Great Society/War on Poverty, and all the wonderful government programs that followed, that are the root cause of the breakup of the black family?

The one other piece of the puzzle was the ability for educated and middle-class blacks to move out of the ghetto and become upwardly-mobile.

[NickTheCage]

Yes, 150 years ago. A few things have changed since then.

You realize we are discussing history?

Catholics and immigrants. Democrats and Republicans. And back then the main Republican issues were nationalizing railroads and banks, creating land grants and homesteads and increasing tarriffs.

Their violence was originally directed at Republican (black and white) leaders to intimidate them

In other words, it has nothing to do with the fact that you are obsessed with race no matter how much you try and deflect.

Sorry, I don't engage in deflections. This was a news worthy story as both the POTUS nominee and the VP just gave policy speech's @ their convention. I posted the reaction from the NAACP because I am rabidly obsessed with individual freedom and liberty. I wanted to show how the NAACP stunts the growth of individualism and creates a culture of dependency w/in the community they are trying to advance.

[NickTheCage]

The one other piece of the puzzle was the ability for educated and middle-class blacks to move out of the ghetto and become upwardly-mobile.

The kids in those communities should remain dependent on the government run schools who dictate where they go, what/how they learn, and who teaches them. It's a racist thought to want to 'take' that away from them & allow them to individually choose thru a voucher and/or charter system (amongst other ideas), what the parents feel works best for the kids.

[NickTheCage]

Yeah, he isn't even an actual Libertarian by its classical definition, they believe in limited government but not in none. He is really more of Anarchist, while at the same time being a Republican, it is sad in an odd way.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

[LUCas]

You realize we are discussing history?

I realize you are bringing up ancient history of the KKK and democratic party as a deflection from your race obsession.

Sorry, I don't engage in deflections.

Just like you don't see race, right?

I am rabidly obsessed with individual freedom and liberty.

and race.

[NickTheCage]

I realize you are bringing up ancient history of the KKK and democratic party as a deflection from your race obsession.



Just like you don't see race, right?



and race.

So what would say to the gent who originally brought up the KKK in this thread?

You still do not understand how this is news (which I explained). I get it, you are not mature enough to discuss what the NAACP and other leftists are without calling someone a racist, bigot, etc .. I'm sure you go off on ur rants when a bunch of posters go off on the catholic church, their priests, etc .. or is that just acceptable to a person like urself?

[LUCas]

So what would say to the gent who originally brought up the KKK in this thread?

I would ignore him.

You still do not understand how this is news (which I explained).

I understand it's news. You still do not understand that you're incessant posting of race related news is a telling sign regarding your views.

I get it, you are not mature enough to discuss what the NAACP and other leftists are without calling someone a racist, bigot, etc .. I'm sure you go off on ur rants when a bunch of posters go off on the catholic church, their priests, etc .. or is that just acceptable to a person like urself?

I don't care what the NAACP has to say, quite frankly. If someone incessantly posted about catholics like you do about blacks, I would call them out on it as well. The only ranting I see is yours.

[NickTheCage]

I understand it's news. You still do not understand that you're incessant posting of race related news is a telling sign regarding your views.

What exactly are my views?

I don't care what the NAACP has to say, quite frankly. If someone incessantly posted about catholics like you do about blacks, I would call them out on it as well. The only ranting I see is yours.

Excluding how this conversation evolved, what and/when did I "incessantly" post abt blacks?

[LUCas]

Did Oprah start out with a billion?

No, so clearly, every person can be as successful as Oprah.

How about all the immigrants who came here with nothing?

How about them? With possible exceptions to the rule (sort of like your Oprah example) in order to get an immigration Visa you need to either have family here, or be sponsored by an employer. Not exactly nothing.

If we go with your premise then the poor might as well leave since they can never make money.[/QUOTE]

[thoth]

Yes once my friend is banned here but i did not get why he is banned what is the real reason please make it clear...

I heard loveisnoise posted nudie pics of Malloy or something.

[toxigal]

51 posts and Nick still hasn't done one simple thing...post a link to the quote in the opening post.

[Templeton]

Majority of Jews who fled Europe (predominately Germany) prior to the holocaust had their property stolen. The ones who actually survived the holocaust had no wealth, did they? Each one of my ancestors came here with nothing, nada b4 and after WW2.

Yes, they had their property stolen, the property they couldn’t take with them (houses, art). But the many fled with education, cash and jewels. 09 May 1939 - REFUGEES' WEALTH. £200,000 IN THREE SHIPS. MELBO... And they used that education, cash and jewels to help poor immigrants. So no, they didn’t just come with the clothes on their backs. Do you really believe your ancestors came from the peasant fields of Europe straight to America?

The same with, as you say the “Indians, Koreans, Paki's, etc”. Are you telling me that in the 80’s the US had a policy of giving visas to the poor, uneducated slum/field dwelling people of these countries? Or do you think the visas went to those who were educated with degrees?

As for Cubans, before Castro, Cuba was like most Latin American Countries, a few wealthy elites, and tons of poor. When the revolution hit, which group do you think fled?

"The first wave occurred after the Cuban revolution of 1959 led by Fidel Castro. A lot of the refugees came with the idea that the new government would not last long, and their stay in the US was temporary. Homes, cars, and other properties in Cuba were left with family, friends, and relatives, who would take care of them until the Castro regime would fall, however, this was promptly stopped by the Castro government, with the forced confiscation of all properties belonging to anyone leaving the country." -wikipedia

You do realize that a lot of newer (post-Castro) Cubans live in Cuban ghettos and cause crime right?

There is tons of research and data on the family unit in the black community and their success

Too bad you couldn't find a single link to any. Why do you think its fair to compare outcomes of poor uneducated populations with a wealthy educated ones?

[BarryG]

Yes, they had their property stolen, the property they couldn’t take with them (houses, art). But the many fled with education, cash and jewels. 09 May 1939 - REFUGEES' WEALTH. £200,000 IN THREE SHIPS. MELBO... And they used that education, cash and jewels to help poor immigrants. So no, they didn’t just come with the clothes on their backs. Do you really believe your ancestors came from the peasant fields of Europe straight to America?

The same with, as you say the “Indians, Koreans, Paki's, etc”. Are you telling me that in the 80’s the US had a policy of giving visas to the poor, uneducated slum/field dwelling people of these countries? Or do you think the visas went to those who were educated with degrees?

As for Cubans, before Castro, Cuba was like most Latin American Countries, a few wealthy elites, and tons of poor. When the revolution hit, which group do you think fled?

"The first wave occurred after the Cuban revolution of 1959 led by Fidel Castro. A lot of the refugees came with the idea that the new government would not last long, and their stay in the US was temporary. Homes, cars, and other properties in Cuba were left with family, friends, and relatives, who would take care of them until the Castro regime would fall, however, this was promptly stopped by the Castro government, with the forced confiscation of all properties belonging to anyone leaving the country." -wikipedia

You do realize that a lot of newer (post-Castro) Cubans live in Cuban ghettos and cause crime right?





Too bad you couldn't find a single link to any. Why do you think its fair to compare outcomes of poor uneducated populations with a wealthy educated ones?

You're right about the WWII and Cuban refugees. But the Jews who came over before WWI (primarily from Russia, Poland, those areas) were mostly poor and not particularly well educated. Same for the Italians and Irish who came over during that time. These groups were upwardly mobile. Even today, the first generation Central American immigrants, who came here dirt poor and uneducated, are much more entrepreneurial than the African-Americans that have been here for generations.

[Geno]

One thing that helped the Irish and Italians was WWII and the GI Bill. Blacks were pretty much denied those benefits. Immigrants who were considered white (eventually) at least had that gong for them. Being white is a huge leg up.

[FKD19124]

you forgot Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who suck the blood out of the black community by hustling race.

With out the race hustle Charlette Manning and her ilk are out of business. I didn't discuss the mebership

[Geno]

you forgot Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who suck the blood out of the black community by hustling race.

Those guys are like caricatures. Cable TV entertainment. I don't think they have any real influence.

[FKD19124]

sure they do. Anyone in the black community who is down and out is going to listen to their message for any ray of hope.

Those guys are like caricatures. Cable TV entertainment. I don't think they have any real influence.

[boognish]

Care to back up that statement with...anything?

[NickTheCage]

Those guys are like caricatures. Cable TV entertainment. I don't think they have any real influence.

Did you not see how he influenced the Treevon Martin incident?

[NickTheCage]

51 posts and Nick still hasn't done one simple thing...post a link to the quote in the opening post.

Should I do your homework for you as well?

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