prince 1500 fairmount lounge

**eldondre** · 04-26-2010, 06:38 PM

license suspended

**guzzijason** · 04-26-2010, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by eldondre

license suspended

That's weird... I thought you were going to give a review of a recent dinner there, or suggest it for a PSHH.

__Jason

**cwd22** · 04-26-2010, 06:48 PM

From what I've heard I doubt that place would be too receptive to a PSHH!

**PhillyKev** · 04-27-2010, 09:48 AM

Huzzah!!!!

**eldondre** · 05-10-2010, 04:08 PM

so it reopened, then closed again, this time for L&I violations

**AbortedWalrus** · 05-10-2010, 10:32 PM

I was wondering why the block had been quieter lately. It's a nuisance bar really. There were a few times I heard shouting and had to call the cops.

**eldondre** · 05-11-2010, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by AbortedWalrus

I was wondering why the block had been quieter lately. It's a nuisance bar really. There were a few times I heard shouting and had to call the cops.

I'vebeen waiting for it tochange hands for a while. it's a great location. the building looks like it probably dates to the early 19th c (pre-civil way anyway). room for a patio and a deck. looks like it's been a long time since it had jazz.

**OutOfContext** · 05-11-2010, 08:49 AM

Isn't that the place where Charles Bukowski used to drink?

**eldondre** · 05-11-2010, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by OutOfContext

Isn't that the place where Charles Bukowski used to drink?

no, that's the 17 spot.

**PhillyKev** · 05-11-2010, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by OutOfContext

Isn't that the place where Charles Bukowski used to drink?

No, it's the place I made the mistake of looking at while driving past right after I moved into the neighborhood thinking, "cool, a jazz bar" and the guy outside saw me and yelled, "Keep moving white boy!"

**OutOfContext** · 05-11-2010, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by PhillyKev

No, it's the place I made the mistake of looking at while driving past right after I moved into the neighborhood thinking, "cool, a jazz bar" and the guy outside saw me and yelled, "Keep moving white boy!"

I got the same treatment when I tried to buy a sixpack there once...

Less than inviting, that's for sure.

**AbortedWalrus** · 05-11-2010, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by eldondre

I'vebeen waiting for it tochange hands for a while. it's a great location. the building looks like it probably dates to the early 19th c (pre-civil way anyway). room for a patio and a deck. looks like it's been a long time since it had jazz.

It certainly has potential. I expect that with how quickly the area has developed in the last year or two it may get sold or change hands sometime soon. Then the only semi-nuisance will be Project Home, but that's not terrible. Hopefully they sell their parking lot or something, because it's a huge waste of space. Good spot for commercial.

**eldondre** · 05-11-2010, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by AbortedWalrus

It certainly has potential. I expect that with how quickly the area has developed in the last year or two it may get sold or change hands sometime soon. Then the only semi-nuisance will be Project Home, but that's not terrible. Hopefully they sell their parking lot or something, because it's a huge waste of space. Good spot for commercial.

honestly, I think it's one of the better non-profits around. nothing like living near a methadone clinic. I understand the need for transitional housing and I've heard the food at the cafe is actually decent (I believe they are trying to get people used to working, if they were open on saturdays I'd have tried it by now though). The people smoking out front even say hello to me. It's really frustrating how little commerical development has occurred. to my knowledge, St. Stephens is the last new business east of 20th, north of spring garden. the new deal is supposedly worse than it used to be rather than better. almost makes me want to buy one of those new homes and turn the garage into a storefront.

**phillysw** · 05-11-2010, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by AbortedWalrus

It certainly has potential. I expect that with how quickly the area has developed in the last year or two it may get sold or change hands sometime soon. Then the only semi-nuisance will be Project Home, but that's not terrible. Hopefully they sell their parking lot or something, because it's a huge waste of space. Good spot for commercial.

Project Home and Sister Mary Scullion have been in the neighborhood for 20 years. They do excellent work. Sorry, but just because well-off people choose to move into an area doesn't mean that longstanding nonprofits have to move their "nuisance" business elsewhere.

**thoth** · 05-11-2010, 04:47 PM

Project HOME is very well run, and my close friends who lived two doors down never had a problem.

Also the New Deal was always passable for a junky lunch counter, don't hate.

**AbortedWalrus** · 05-11-2010, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by phillysw

Project Home and Sister Mary Scullion have been in the neighborhood for 20 years. They do excellent work. Sorry, but just because well-off people choose to move into an area doesn't mean that longstanding nonprofits have to move their "nuisance" business elsewhere.

The business they do isn't the nuisance, it's the crowds that it gathers. It very well may be a great place, and some of the people there are fantastically nice. Some are not. A condemnation on the effect it has on a neighborhood is not a condemnation on what they do or their right to be there. You should get over yourself.

I'd actually say that sadly, the Youth Emergency Services place across the street is worse, because there have been multiple times that I have walked by and been greeted with "Get off my street, what the hell you think you're doing here?"

Originally Posted by eldondre

honestly, I think it's one of the better non-profits around. nothing like living near a methadone clinic. I understand the need for transitional housing and I've heard the food at the cafe is actually decent (I believe they are trying to get people used to working, if they were open on saturdays I'd have tried it by now though). The people smoking out front even say hello to me. It's really frustrating how little commerical development has occurred. to my knowledge, St. Stephens is the last new business east of 20th, north of spring garden. the new deal is supposedly worse than it used to be rather than better. almost makes me want to buy one of those new homes and turn the garage into a storefront.

The big issue I have is with their parking lot. The thing is huge, and it's barely used. It's never even at half capacity. It's just a waste of space, it's always messy and there's a lot of garbage caught on the fence. There are two commercial spots on the 1500 block. One is the African Hair Braiding salon, and the other is Salon Vixen on the corner. Salon Vixen opened up about a year and a half ago and has pretty nice regular clientèle. I hope the business is going well because it's not a bad addition. Then, I think it's 1514 is commercial that was changed into residential on the ground floor. I believe 1512 is the hair braiding place. Are the apartments they're building on the north corner of 16th & Fairmount going to have first floor commercial at all?

**eldondre** · 05-11-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by AbortedWalrus

The business they do isn't the nuisance, it's the crowds that it gathers. It very well may be a great place, and some of the people there are fantastically nice. Some are not. A condemnation on the effect it has on a neighborhood is not a condemnation on what they do or their right to be there.

honestly, I live a block away, I haven't seen any huge crowds.

Originally Posted by AbortedWalrus

The big issue I have is with their parking lot. The thing is huge, and it's barely used. It's never even at half capacity. It's just a waste of space, it's always messy and there's a lot of garbage caught on the fence. There are two commercial spots on the 1500 block. One is the African Hair Braiding salon, and the other is Salon Vixen on the corner. Salon Vixen opened up about a year and a half ago and has pretty nice regular clientèle. I hope the business is going well because it's not a bad addition. Then, I think it's 1514 is commercial that was changed into residential on the ground floor. I believe 1512 is the hair braiding place. Are the apartments they're building on the north corner of 16th & Fairmount going to have first floor commercial at all?

you're talking about the parking in front of the cafe? or the church lots across from the new deal?
the apartments above the hair braiding place are actually decent. the salon is pretyt good (though not particularly cheap). my wife goes there on occasion. seems like they're doing ok. I don't think the new buildings will have commercial and the proposed ones next to the salon don't sound like they'll have space either.

new deal is ok at best. a hohum omelette with frozen potatoes isn't the greatest thing in the world but some of their food is ok, coffee could be a lot better and I'd go in. all in all, I think they're leaving money on the table as they say

**AbortedWalrus** · 05-11-2010, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by eldondre

honestly, I live a block away, I haven't seen any huge crowds.

It's not the size, it's the people. In general they are pleasant, some are not.

you're talking about the parking in front of the cafe? or the church lots across from the new deal?
the apartments above the hair braiding place are actually decent. the salon is pretyt good (though not particularly cheap). my wife goes there on occasion. seems like they're doing ok. I don't think the new buildings will have commercial and the proposed ones next to the salon don't sound like they'll have space either.

new deal is ok at best. a hohum omelette with frozen potatoes isn't the greatest thing in the world but some of their food is ok, coffee could be a lot better and I'd go in. all in all, I think they're leaving money on the table as they say

I'm talking about the ones right next to the Church. If you look at the fence there it says it is parking for Project home. I don't care about the cafe parking area. The apartments above the hair braiding place are nice, they are listed on craigslist right now (or were recently) and I looked at the photos. I just thing it would be nice if the one on the bottom with the big frosted windows were kept commercial. I think it used to be, anyway.

**eldondre** · 05-11-2010, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by AbortedWalrus

It's not the size, it's the people. In general they are pleasant, some are not.

that's true though I don't know as I'd go so far as to call them a nuisance. not in the same way the shelter at 8th and arch is or the methadone clinic I lived next to (which moved to 10th and market). even the methadone clinic may or may not have been run poorly, just the people it brought make me appreciate project HOME. better than some of PHA's nuisance properties not far away.

Originally Posted by AbortedWalrus

I'm talking about the ones right next to the Church. If you look at the fence there it says it is parking for Project home. I don't care about the cafe parking area. The apartments above the hair braiding place are nice, they are listed on craigslist right now (or were recently) and I looked at the photos. I just thing it would be nice if the one on the bottom with the big frosted windows were kept commercial. I think it used to be, anyway.

huh, yeah I though they belonged to the church like the old gas station. I usually walk along the north side of fairmount so I guess I never really noticed the signs. yeah, it'd be improvement if that were developed (along with the abandoned buildings on the 1600 block). i also would like something to open.

**AbortedWalrus** · 05-12-2010, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by eldondre

huh, yeah I though they belonged to the church like the old gas station. I usually walk along the north side of fairmount so I guess I never really noticed the signs. yeah, it'd be improvement if that were developed (along with the abandoned buildings on the 1600 block). i also would like something to open.

I was doing some title searches on the BRT website earlier and I believe it's listed as the property of project home, but I can't remember for sure. I dunno if they own it, but it's certainly got signs for Project HOME. Anyway, I don't go so far as to call it a nuisance either, just a semi-nuisance, of which there are a ton in life.