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    Default Sugarhouse casino fined $15K by State gambling regulators

    PHILADELPHIA - December 12, 2012 (WPVI) -- State gambling regulators say the operators of Sugarhouse Casino in Philadelphia have agreed to $15,000 in fines for three cases in which patrons gambled there even though they were banned from entering casinos in the state.
    The Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board on Wednesday announced the fines against HSP Gaming LP, which operates Sugarhouse.
    The board says one case happened when a person banned from gambling in the state played table games at the casino from June 29 to July 3.
    Another case happened in August when the state says a banned gambler played slots and table games at Sugarhouse. Officials say the third case happened in May.
    A message left with a casino spokesman was not immediately returned.

    Sugarhouse casino fined $15K over banned gamblers | 6abc.com

    Another Hicu for Phillys First Casino.
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    If you don't want to gamble, don't gamble. Jesus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetalkingmule View Post
    If you don't want to gamble, don't gamble. Jesus.
    Long History watching the city and state gamble with taxpayers money.
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    I don't understand. Are they supposed to check everyone's name and then cross check with a state list? How is such a thing even enforceable?

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    That's probably why the fines are so reasonable. It's not as tough as you would think since most players have a card that identifies them. All you ave to do is sort through the non-card players.
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    Doesn't the casino rake in 15 grand every ten minutes?
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    Default People who live in glass houses........................

    So what's the problem here? If you look hard enough you will find infractions. Have you ever seen the number of cars parked in the Gaming/State Police parking area of Sugarhouse? and it's usually 75+% occupied. How many of us exceed the speed limit, do not stop properly, shift lanes with out signalling, etc? Somewhere here someone once posted the L&I food infractions website, I find that more worrysome to me than some gambler scoffing a law which protects them.

    The other day guests from California and Arizona were discussing California's $400 dollar, moving violation fines. Each recalled being told by the issueing officer, just remember California is f(inancially) Broke.

    All things considered, I think Sugarhouse is doing a good job. Except for the smoking, we frequently pay a non-gambling visit to their lounge or restaurant. In warmer weather, their outdoor area, either near the bar or along the sidewalk is an ideal place to look over the Delaware River. I know others who enjoy the Jerry Blavat scene or the sound-alike rock bands in the summer.

    Again, this rates a so what? They admitted to the violation, paid the fine, and I am sure the staff was advised, not penalized, to be more vigilant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiocolin View Post
    I don't understand. Are they supposed to check everyone's name and then cross check with a state list? How is such a thing even enforceable?
    That's pretty much what surveillance does. They monitor cameras non-stop for people banned either thru the state, or specific to that casino for various reason (fighting, threatening staff, cheating/breaking stuff etc). That and card counting & other forms of cheating is mostly what they keep an eye out for. Surprisingly this stuff happens more often than you would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ed View Post
    Doesn't the casino rake in 15 grand every ten minutes?

    Area casinos see profit down as 6 vie for permit - Philly.com

    Sugarhouse Casino reported $14.7 Million
    $14.7 Million / 30 Days November = approx $500,000 day actually less.
    $21,000 an hour. $350 per minute or nearly $3,500 every ten minutes.
    This is all approximate since revenue has been fast declining as new casinos are built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PASnow View Post
    That's pretty much what surveillance does. They monitor cameras non-stop for people banned either thru the state, or specific to that casino for various reason (fighting, threatening staff, cheating/breaking stuff etc). That and card counting & other forms of cheating is mostly what they keep an eye out for. Surprisingly this stuff happens more often than you would think.
    Security is constantly looking at the tables. As for the non-gamblers database, it is a software based system that is constantly polling faces through the security cameras and matching them to a database. If you ever walk into a casino with sunglasses and a hat, they will ask you to take them off at the entrance for this purpose.

    The secondary system is of course much easier, which is a simple database that is to prevent addicted gamblers and various flagged customers from signing up for cards, bonuses, etc.

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    Trying to grasp this as well. Perhaps others who are more familiar in the gaming industry can clarify:

    1. How does someone get banned from casinos in the state of PA ? Are they addictive gamblers, card counters or something else ?

    2. How are they suppose to regulate it ? This question was just answered by "Lucid" but those methods do not seem like they would work 100 percent of the time.

    3. "Fine" is extremely low. Why even bother with a fine ? Or instead of a fine, maybe the funds should go back into measures that would beef up measures to prevent this from happening again...
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    Known members of organized crime and people who voluntarily give up gambling are put on a list. I'll try to look up the info for you.

    It doesn't work 100% of the time, just as minors get cigarettes and booze- but it must be regulated and fined somehow.

    If the law is like jersey, the banned person must surrender any winnings back to the casino, so the state is just getting their slice.
    Quote Originally Posted by thesomersteam View Post
    Trying to grasp this as well. Perhaps others who are more familiar in the gaming industry can clarify:

    1. How does someone get banned from casinos in the state of PA ? Are they addictive gamblers, card counters or something else ?

    2. How are they suppose to regulate it ? This question was just answered by "Lucid" but those methods do not seem like they would work 100 percent of the time.

    3. "Fine" is extremely low. Why even bother with a fine ? Or instead of a fine, maybe the funds should go back into measures that would beef up measures to prevent this from happening again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucidinnature View Post
    Known members of organized crime and people who voluntarily give up gambling are put on a list. I'll try to look up the info for you.

    It doesn't work 100% of the time, just as minors get cigarettes and booze- but it must be regulated and fined somehow.

    If the law is like jersey, the banned person must surrender any winnings back to the casino, so the state is just getting their slice.
    Tha makes sense. Thank you. Sounds like those that know that they have a gambling problem can ban themselves ? And I should know that there are not too many card counters out there : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesomersteam View Post
    Tha makes sense. Thank you. Sounds like those that know that they have a gambling problem can ban themselves ? And I should know that there are not too many card counters out there : )
    There's actually a lot of card counters, but even with that edge there's still a 60/40 chance of losing. Is it profitable? Yes-but a casino can ask you to leave at any time, and sometimes they'll purposefully wait until the card counter is down and they ask them to leave. There's an amazing documentary about the largest card counting ring in america-and they're all devout reborn christians that use the system as a way to make money to preach...hahahaha it's on netflix. Holy Rollers: The True Story of Card Counting Christians

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    Oh... and this is about Canada, but we do the same. It is an article about how gamblers volunteer a photo, then facial recognition software spots them.
    A Privacy-Friendly Way to Ban Gambling Addicts From Casinos - Businessweek

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucidinnature View Post
    There's actually a lot of card counters, but even with that edge there's still a 60/40 chance of losing. Is it profitable? Yes-but a casino can ask you to leave at any time, and sometimes they'll purposefully wait until the card counter is down and they ask them to leave. There's an amazing documentary about the largest card counting ring in america-and they're all devout reborn christians that use the system as a way to make money to preach...hahahaha it's on netflix. Holy Rollers: The True Story of Card Counting Christians
    OMG, that is a great link !!!!!!! Hard to believe what I am seeing. Thanks!
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