When are the Delaware river urban planners going to realize no one cares what they have to say?

[John Goodman]

I'm getting sick of hearing about them

[thetalkingmule]

That Penn Praxis plan is a joke. Things just have to happen organically like mold growth.

[TLP]

Who are we including under the umbrella of "Delaware river urban planners"? There are a lot of people and public and quasi-public agencies involved in the planning of the waterfront.

I think I agree that less master planning is better here, but it really depends on who we're talking about. The City does own some key pieces of the waterfront, and is responsible for the configuration of Delaware Ave, so the City's and DRWC's planners do have an important role to play here.

[John Goodman]

Inga and the ivory tower mafia

Someone clue them in on the concept of land ownership and the difference between business and the classroom

[John Goodman]

Changing Skyline: Waterfront agency strengthens review process

Has anyone ever created more committees to accomplish so little?

Developers don't have to answer to these glorified nimbys and why should they

[TLP]

Developers don't *have to* talk to the DRWC, but it would benefit them to do it in some cases.

Again, the DRWC is the quasi-public agency responsible for:
1) the waterfront master plan, which while not codified, does represent City policy, and
2) management of City-owned property on the waterfront, including Penn's Landing and the old incinerator pier at Spring Garden.

Why wouldn't a developer want to sit down for a friendly, advisory, non-binding meeting with the agency tasked with guiding the waterfront? If the developer wants to build something not by right, which despite the new code still happens in a lot of places, then doesn't it make sense to discuss you plans and accept some input? This is exactly what developers do in every neighborhood when then come to civics looking to garner approval. Their sign off is not required, but why wouldn't you want to work with your (future) neighbors?