Norris Square the Great poverty protectors ,or just another slum lord ?

**BALLZ2BHERE** · 08-15-2012, 12:44 AM

what a crazy history this non profit has !

Case Number Matching Party Plaintiffs Defendants
CE-08-02-72-0190 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSN Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSN(D1)
CE-03-05-32-0395 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia: Department of Licenses and Inspections NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
PHILA URBAN FINANCE CORP(D2)
CE-05-11-72-0567 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-06-01-72-0040 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-06-10-74-0534 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-07-01-74-0149 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-07-08-74-0224 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-07-09-74-0331 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
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CE-08-11-74-0728 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-06-04-32-0120 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. City of Philadelphia: Department of Licenses and Inspections NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC.(D1)
CE-06-11-33-0163 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION City of Philadelphia, Bureau of Administrative Adjudication NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION(D1)
CE-12-08-72-0425 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION(D1)
CE-02-08-74-0170 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-02-12-74-0062 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-03-01-74-0192 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-03-01-74-0387 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-03-01-74-0388 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-04-04-74-0630 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP CITY OF PHILADELPHIA NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-05-04-74-0586 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-05-05-74-0357 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-05-07-74-0015 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-06-01-74-0024 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-08-06-74-0365 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-08-07-74-0460 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-08-09-74-0215 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-08-09-74-0884 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-11-12-74-0876 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-09-10-72-0004 NORRIS SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT(D1)
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04/27/2006 Code Enforcement Complaint Hearing Scheduled: 06/15/2006 09:00 AM Hearing Room 4G
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LT-09-02-03-3396 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. ABAGAIL PEREZ(D1)
LT-10-02-23-5210 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. ABIGAIL PEREZ(D1)
LT-10-02-23-5211 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. RON CARTER(D1)
CE-06-04-32-0120 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. City of Philadelphia: Department of Licenses and Inspections NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC.(D1)
SC-11-11-71-0123 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia, Revenue Department NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
SC-11-11-71-0124 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia, Revenue Department NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
SC-11-11-71-0125 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia, Revenue Department NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
SC-03-09-26-2715 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION COPI-QUICK INC
WELLS FARGO FINANCIAL LEASING NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION(D1)

LT-02-12-18-1454 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC YADIRA BERMUDEZ(D1)
RICARDO TORRES(D2)
LT-03-02-14-1337 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC AMELIA MALDONADO(D1)
LT-03-05-20-1901 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC DEMARIS HERNANDEZ(D1)
LT-03-07-30-2967 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC ESTEBAN ANAYA(D1)
FLOR ANAYA(D2)
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LT-03-07-30-2969 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC RUTH SALGADO(D1)
LT-03-07-30-2970 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC WANDA VAZQUEZ(D1)
LT-03-08-28-2530 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC CARMEN GONZALEZ(D1)
LT-04-03-05-0541 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC ANGELA WARD(D1)
LT-04-09-01-0104 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC ANA PADILLA(D1)
RAMON RIVERA(D2)
LT-04-10-06-0645 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC ARMAND MERCADO(D1)
LT-05-04-21-1481 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC RAFAEL MALDONADO(D1)
LT-09-01-08-4008 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC ROSELIA RIVERA(D1)
LT-09-03-24-5445 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC MELISSA BLANCO(D1)
LT-12-04-12-4159 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC IVETTE BUTLER(D1)
LT-12-04-12-4160 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC
NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC SABRINA ROIG(D1)
MELVIN ARCHANGEL(D2)
LT-12-04-12-4160 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC
NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC SABRINA ROIG(D1)
MELVIN ARCHANGEL(D2)
LT-09-02-03-3396 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. ABAGAIL PEREZ(D1)
LT-10-02-23-5210 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. ABIGAIL PEREZ(D1)
LT-10-02-23-5211 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. RON CARTER(D1)
LT-03-03-26-2611 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION QUALITY PENN PRODUCTS INC(D1)
LT-03-04-24-2253 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION ROSA SANTIAGO(D1)
LT-03-10-01-0004 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION ALEXANDER JIMENEZ(D1)
NICOLE JIMENEZ(D2)
LT-03-10-01-0005 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION BEATRIZ QUILES(D1)
LT-05-10-06-6589 Norris Square Civic Association Norris Square Civic Association JASMINE GUTIERREZ(D1)
JORGE DIAZ(D2)
LT-05-10-18-7543 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION ENEIDA SUAREZ(D1)
LT-05-12-16-7154 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION BARBARA CORTES(D1)
LT-06-02-23-7729 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION ENEIDA SUAREZ(D1)
LT-06-03-07-5739 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION MIGUEL VELAZQUEZ(D1)
LT-06-06-08-6104 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION MELISSA BLANCO(D1)
LT-06-06-08-6105 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION JASMINE GUTIERREZ(D1)
LT-06-12-19-5631 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION LAUREN JONES(D1)
LT-07-03-06-3888 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION KIRSEY DAMENACH(D1)
LT-07-04-26-6689 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION BARBARA CORTES(D1)
LT-07-04-26-6693 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION STACEY FLORES(D1)
LT-07-09-25-6795 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION ANGELINA ARROYO(D1)
FRED ARROYO(D2)
DAVID ARROYO(D3)
CE-08-02-72-0190 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSN Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSN(D1)
CE-03-05-32-0395 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia: Department of Licenses and Inspections NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
PHILA URBAN FINANCE CORP(D2)
CE-05-11-72-0567 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-06-01-72-0040 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-06-10-74-0534 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-07-01-74-0149 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-07-08-74-0224 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-07-09-74-0331 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-07-10-74-1115 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-08-11-74-0728 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
SC-11-11-71-0123 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia, Revenue Department NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
SC-11-11-71-0124 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia, Revenue Department NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
SC-11-11-71-0125 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC City of Philadelphia, Revenue Department NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC(D1)
CE-06-04-32-0120 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC. City of Philadelphia: Department of Licenses and Inspections NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOC.(D1)
CE-06-11-33-0163 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION City of Philadelphia, Bureau of Administrative Adjudication NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION(D1)
CE-12-08-72-0425 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION(D1)
SC-03-09-26-2715 NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION COPI-QUICK INC
WELLS FARGO FINANCIAL LEASING NORRIS SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION(D1)
CE-02-08-74-0170 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-02-12-74-0062 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-03-01-74-0192 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-03-01-74-0387 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-03-01-74-0388 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-04-04-74-0630 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP CITY OF PHILADELPHIA NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-05-04-74-0586 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-05-05-74-0357 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-05-07-74-0015 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
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CE-08-06-74-0365 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-08-07-74-0460 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-08-09-74-0215 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
CE-08-09-74-0884 NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP City of Philadelphia NORRIS SQUARE ECONOMIC DEVELOP(D1)
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**ArcticSplash** · 08-15-2012, 05:01 AM

Wow they are quite busy in Muni Court. The LT cases are just evictions but it seems they can't keep their rentals up to code either.

**thesomersteam** · 08-15-2012, 07:36 AM

The more you hear about this Civic association, things just do not add up. From a real estate standpoint, 19133 in the last 10 years has been one of the worst performing zipcodes in all of Philadelphia.

**TLP** · 08-15-2012, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by thesomersteam

The more you hear about this Civic association, things just do not add up. From a real estate standpoint, 19133 in the last 10 years has been one of the worst performing zipcodes in all of Philadelphia.

You know they would consider that a victory, right? Their goal is to keep the neighborhood inexpensive. Of course, the corollary is "inexpensive - for our people".

**kdlewis6** · 08-15-2012, 08:47 AM

it also means that those same people are kept in poverty and have low quality of life except for the ones who benefit from the neighborhood being poor, blighted and crime filled. They seem to be living extremely well.

**thesomersteam** · 08-15-2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by TLP

You know they would consider that a victory, right? Their goal is to keep the neighborhood inexpensive. Of course, the corollary is "inexpensive - for our people".

HA! Good point, although that does not bode well for folks looking to retire with the help of the value of their home....

**BALLZ2BHERE** · 08-15-2012, 08:50 AM

Here is a noxy moron you rent to extra low income and advocate for the supper poor , Then when they can not pay rent or you lose your subsidy you not only get evicted ,you get a big judgment and put on the street ..
This just shows that it is about money and has nothing to do with poverty !

**TLP** · 08-15-2012, 09:02 AM

"Inexpensive" isn't necessarily a bad goal; it's all in how you do it. We used to solve this problems by building different types and sizes of housing: from trinities all the way up to 6-bedroom 40-foot tall row-mansions. Compare the houses on Palmer, Mutter, and Mascher here. There's a size to fit just about every income.

Today, all of our new construction is the same: 3-4 beds, 2000+ sqft. Part of that's the market demand, part of that's the financing available, part of that's the zoning restrictions on lot size and coverage. It's not an easy thing to solve, and it's no wonder that neighborhoods turn over and appreciate so quickly.

None of that's to say that the NSCA solution to affordable housing is the right one, just that there's nothing wrong with being concerned about the effects the impending wave of $400K townhomes will have.

**BALLZ2BHERE** · 08-15-2012, 09:20 AM

You can advocate affordable ,You can build affordable,But implementing that idea on a whole community ? That theory sounds like any one who was to have purchased a home in this area deserves no equity in there investment ! What country is this ?
Keeping in mind half the people who own there homes in this area are low income and there homes may just be there only way out of poverty,No one has the right to implement such a wide brush on a narrow subject !

**BALLZ2BHERE** · 08-15-2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by thesomersteam

The more you hear about this Civic association, things just do not add up. From a real estate standpoint, 19133 in the last 10 years has been one of the worst performing zipcodes in all of Philadelphia.

Norris Square is in the 19122 Zip code ! what is the performance rate for 19122 I think it is healthy and this is just a block to stop that growth !

**thesomersteam** · 08-15-2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by BALLZ2BHERE

Norris Square is in the 19122 Zip code ! what is the performance rate for 19122 I think it is healthy and this is just a block to stop that growth !

19122 has been terrific and I predict will remain terrific, but the majority of that zipcode is covered by SKCP with only a fraction covered by Norris Square - down to Norris St I believe. The Norris Square association should take notes from SKCP.

**thesomersteam** · 08-15-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by kdlewis6

it also means that those same people are kept in poverty and have low quality of life except for the ones who benefit from the neighborhood being poor, blighted and crime filled. They seem to be living extremely well.

Great point Karen. And as you have pointed out in the past, why not encourage these folks to purchase since with the price of the properties in that area, their mortgage payment would be about the same or perhaps less than the rental payments they would be paying ? I think it would make more sense to have folks have the goals of homeownership where they can build equity and move forward in that direction instead of cramming people in a "low income" project that the community is against ?

I just mentioned that Norris Square should take notes from SKCP, but they should also take notes from NKCDC which has some great first time homebuyer seminars where it gets folks invovled and gives them the knowledge of grants and programs to move forward in that direction.

**BALLZ2BHERE** · 08-15-2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by thesomersteam

19122 has been terrific and I predict will remain terrific, but the majority of that zipcode is covered by SKCP with only a fraction covered by Norris Square - down to Norris St I believe. The Norris Square association should take notes from SKCP.

They do take notes , Benjamin's and Jackson's ... any others pheeeew good luck ,This civic,cdc is well heeled in the political arena ,Just look at the level of destruction and bigotry ,any one else would be in jail !

**Debbie1125** · 08-15-2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by TLP

You know they would consider that a victory, right? Their goal is to keep the neighborhood inexpensive. Of course, the corollary is "inexpensive - for our people".

They're holding back certain parts of 19122 from improvements in addition to 19133. That's a shame particularly for 19122, because the area around Norris Square and towards the playground at Howard and Berks has a lot of potential.

**BALLZ2BHERE** · 08-15-2012, 10:37 AM

And thats the part that behooves me , why would any one not want to improve there quality of life ? It is more like being held back for financial gain for a couple of very powerful people ,who need to be put in check ,or put in a part of the city that would benefit from this thinking !

**thesomersteam** · 08-15-2012, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by BALLZ2BHERE

And thats the part that behooves me , why would any one not want to improve there quality of life ? It is more like being held back for financial gain for a couple of very powerful people ,who need to be put in check ,or put in a part of the city that would benefit from this thinking !

It is amazing, isn't it ? Just a lot of smoke and mirrors...

**BALLZ2BHERE** · 08-15-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by thesomersteam

It is amazing, isn't it ? Just a lot of smoke and mirrors...

yes it is,And it sickens me to think they will get away with this wanton act of oppression to people with limited recourses ,And it will all be done on tax dollars !

**kdlewis6** · 08-15-2012, 12:07 PM

Did anyone catch who the lawyer for WCRP mentioned as approving the low income housing project and lives on Hope St?? He named the drug dealer who lives on the block. Everyone thought he was talking about his son who shares his same name, but he didn't say JR so the lawyer was talking about the father who deals drugs right out of his house and right on Hope St until the older ladies on my block yell at him and chase him and his junkies down the street (I love these ladies).

WCRP and Norris Sq went on the record saying the resident drug dealer approves their huge low income apartments being crammed onto our little alley way street. WCRP and Norris Sq shows again and again how they little they actual care about poor women and children, because they asked for approval from the resident drug dealer, some random dude who lives g-d knows where but doesn't want normal real estate appreciation over the years, etc.

When a project defies common sense and financial feasibility, you have to wonder, what's the real deal, cause only an idiot would be in support of this project, and I don't think people that rich like Norris Sq and WCRP both with revenues in the millionssss are stupid.

**Sharkfood** · 08-15-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by BALLZ2BHERE

Norris Square is in the 19122 Zip code ! what is the performance rate for 19122 I think it is healthy and this is just a block to stop that growth !

The growth in 19122 is south of Berks St. The jurisdiction of Norris Square Civic begins at Berks from what I can recall.

**kdlewis6** · 08-15-2012, 01:26 PM

yes, it begins at Berks. My mom asked me why I even bought my house here, but how was I to know what Norris Square was like, nobody will speak against them in this neighborhood. Also right after I bought, maybe a year, Norris Sq changed their catchement to include up to Berks. I don't know how that happen but it was probably done without any community input I am pretty sure, because I wasn't included or notified at all. It was only when I wanted to get a public trash can for the street like they have in fishtown did I find out who my civic association was, and I emailed and stopped by and was ignored or told they couldn't help me at all everytime. I couldn't understand how fishtown had the solar trash cans but on my block, the older women on my street would have to sweep up the trash from the bars and corner stores people would throw on our block every morning to keep the street clean. Made me upset to see them being disrespected by Norris Sq. With all their money, they couldn't even help us get a public trash can.