Almost time for White-o-ween!

**lucidinnature** · 10-29-2012, 12:33 AM

Cute. Now just admit that you're a small minded racist and we can all go back to enjoying the upcoming storm.

Originally Posted by Marquis

**OKT3** · 10-29-2012, 04:36 AM

Glad to see the annual white-o-ween thread did not disappoint.

**CherieV** · 10-29-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by ShoshTrvls

This is my view as well. On Halloween, there are certainly more African American kids walking around my neighborhood than at most other times of the year. All but a very few are in costume, with their parents, and truly excited about going trick-or-treating. And they all say thank you. I'm more than happy to have them here - and if it is because we have better candy, or more people handing it out, than in their own neighborhoods, well, all the better that they come and have a good time.

Am I missing something? I live in the neighborhood in question 1.5 blocks from the trick or treaters in question. It's quite a fun time just like you described above. Are we living in some kind of vortex?

**lucidinnature** · 10-30-2012, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by CherieV

Am I missing something? I live in the neighborhood in question 1.5 blocks from the trick or treaters in question. It's quite a fun time just like you described above. Are we living in some kind of vortex?

Your husband is part of the global conspiracy, so your block is protected while we all burn.

**Marquis** · 10-30-2012, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by lucidinnature

Cute. Now just admit that you're a small minded racist and we can all go back to enjoying the upcoming storm.

u mad?

**lucidinnature** · 10-30-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Marquis

u mad?

At what? An elementary school internet mentality that can hold a cohesive argument for about as long as they get an erection prior to their pre-ejaculation problem? Nope, not mad-just woefully all too used to such ignorance as yours.

**Marquis** · 10-30-2012, 02:46 PM

**Ours** · 10-30-2012, 03:12 PM

Seems that not everyone here agrees on whether or not there is a so-called "Whiteween" in Fairmount. Although I've never heard it referred to as that, I have witnessed firsthand an obvious division. I've lived here for about seven years now and every year there appears to be two Halloweens. Last year I decided to ask one of the adults (caucasion) who passed by our house why they were out that night instead of the traditional trick-or-treat night that is Halloween. The answer was, shockingly, direct and to the point. To paraphrase, 'we don't like all of those ni**ers coming down from up there (pointing North)'. What was really fascinating, in this case, was the fact that in her small group of eight or nine kids and three adults there was an African-American kid maybe about 5 or 6 with them. I didn't inquire about that.

I'm not sure that anyone disputes that there is racism in our community. If they do, then it would serve them well to open their eyes a little wider. All you have to do is live here a little while and have discourse with some of your neighbors, especially the ones who have lived here for decades. My neighbor across the street, for example, is in her eighties. She's a very sweet woman who lives alone. She's always out, enjoying the kids on our block and gives out baked treats to her neighbors for no particular reason other than to be friendly. She's a "good neighbor". But I've had a number of conversations with her over the years where she has expressed her disdain for all of the ni**ers who come down from north of Girard, for any reason. Halloween wasn't the topic in any of those particular discussions. I think they were mostly about cars getting broken into or the number of armed muggings that have taken place in the last few years. The fact that the word "******" is in anyone's vocabulary is very disturbing to me. And, it's an indication that we still have a very long way to go in terms of educating our populous about the harm it causes to have such views and to express them openly, among other things. I like this woman a lot. But it's hard for me to get past the fact that she's such a bigot. And my guess is that in her lifetime her mind won't be changed about race.

I don't like bigots, whatever their race. In fact, I get angry when I think too much about it. I think I have some understanding of where it comes from. I'm fairly educated, socially conscious, cultured etc. But I don't excuse it, ever. No matter what the cause or root of it may be. And when it comes to Halloween, a holiday I cherished as a kid, I stick to the traditions I grew up with. If you're not wearing a costume that appears to have had at least a little bit of thought and effort put into it, you don't get treats from my house. If you're an adult, you don't get treats from my house. If you're not polite and respectful, you don't get treats from my house. If you're out trick-or-treating on any other night but Halloween night, you don't get treats from my house. It's as simple as that.

We got that little note in our mailbox the other night too. We happen to be caucasian, whatever that means. I don't know who put it there. It struck me as a bit odd. My guess is that it is coming from folks who want to continue some old and unsavory neighborhood tradition of having a separate Halloween. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my guess. I'm not sure why it wouldn't have included any mention of who it was coming from, otherwise. It seems suspicious to me. I wish that someone would really investigate it thoroughlly and expose what so obviously exists, not just in Fairmount, but in Philadelphia generally. I wish it would be a national news story. I think anything so backwards in our society should be exposed and turned into something that can help educate young people and break the tie between their parents outdated mentality and what will, in many cases, carry over to become their own.

**Ours** · 10-30-2012, 03:39 PM

By the way, the username I chose, "Ours", comes from my belief that the world is ours. Not mine or someone else's. Ours. As in all of us. The human race. Although, it really belongs to a bunch of corporations. But you get my point, I'm sure.

This is just an attempt at heading off any silly comments or speculation about what it might mean.

Thank you.

**2happy4u** · 10-30-2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ours

By the way, the username I chose, "Ours", comes from my belief that the world is ours. Not mine or someone else's. Ours. As in all of us. The human race. Although, it really belongs to a bunch of corporations. But you get my point, I'm sure.

This is just an attempt at heading off any silly comments or speculation about what it might mean.

Thank you.

There must be something to it if most of your neighbors feel that way, It's not the color of the skin that is the problem it's the attitude and conduct displayed by black kids & parents over the years, long before you moved in. I've seen it & heard it many times over the years. I don't know where you came from, but I'm sure you never had to deal with threat and intimidation over a free piece of candy by ONE group of people. I'm sure this type of conduct can bring up prejudice in people who perpetually put up with it. This so called "white o ween" was born out of the rude conduct by blacks not racism.....

**lucidinnature** · 10-30-2012, 04:30 PM

I really can't think of a reason that I'd be mad. What, because of some twerp on the innernet rearranging words to make themselves feel better? Not quite, but obviously your venting is more of an introspection than anything.

Originally Posted by Marquis

**Marquis** · 10-30-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by lucidinnature

I really can't think of a reason that I'd be mad. What, because of some twerp on the innernet rearranging words to make themselves feel better? Not quite, but obviously your venting is more of an introspection than anything.

**lucidinnature** · 10-30-2012, 05:12 PM

Yes, this is about as mature as your other arguments regarding this topic.

Originally Posted by Marquis

**Marquis** · 10-30-2012, 05:38 PM

Don't forget to provide evidence to back up your claim that kids are bused into the neighborhood on Halloween. Really looking forward to that.

**Ours** · 10-30-2012, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by 2happy4u

There must be something to it if most of your neighbors feel that way, It's not the color of the skin that is the problem it's the attitude and conduct displayed by black kids & parents over the years, long before you moved in. I've seen it & heard it many times over the years. I don't know where you came from, but I'm sure you never had to deal with threat and intimidation over a free piece of candy by ONE group of people. I'm sure this type of conduct can bring up prejudice in people who perpetually put up with it. This so called "white o ween" was born out of the rude conduct by blacks not racism.....

First of all, I didn't say that most of my neighbors feel ANY way. But I'm not surprised that YOU interpreted it that way.
Second, does anyone else feel like pointing out the ignorance and stupidity of the second clause in that first run-on sentence?
Third, the threat and intimidation I dealt with in Manhattan and Brooklyn never prompted anyone to have a separate Halloween.
Fourth, does anyone else feel like pointing out the ignorance and stupidity of the last sentence?

Wow.

**AsYouWere** · 10-30-2012, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Ours

Second, does anyone else feel like pointing out the ignorance and stupidity of the second clause in that first run-on sentence?

Some call it bigotry while others freedom of association who cares it's a mindless thread. I guess people can hang out with whoever they want.

**Giavella Water** · 10-30-2012, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ours

First of all, I didn't say that most of my neighbors feel ANY way. But I'm not surprised that YOU interpreted it that way.
Second, does anyone else feel like pointing out the ignorance and stupidity of the second clause in that first run-on sentence?
Third, the threat and intimidation I dealt with in Manhattan and Brooklyn never prompted anyone to have a separate Halloween.
Fourth, does anyone else feel like pointing out the ignorance and stupidity of the last sentence?

Wow.

I don't know why you are so upset regarding the 2happy4u post. It's only the truth. If you didn't experience what was described then lucky you.

**Ours** · 10-30-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Giavella Water

I don't know why you are so upset regarding the 2happy4u post. It's only the truth. If you didn't experience what was described then lucky you.

You are missing the point as well. Maybe you guys could have your mom or dad read what I wrote so you understand all of the words.

I'm not upset. I'm disgusted.

I thought this would be someplace to have a reasonably intelligent conversation about what is truly behind "Whiteoween" or whatever you call it, meaning racism and bigotry. You guys can dig yourself as deep as you want on this topic by trying to justify it. Have a great time trying to make yourselves feel better about yourselves. And thanks for confirming my suspicions.

Ever hear the one about 'Be a part of the solution, not the problem'? Look that one up. And maybe read a little history or psychology while you're at it. If you need a recommendation so you can get yourself up to date with the rest of the civilized world, let me know. I'd be happy to send a few titles your way.

Happy Halloween!

**Jerry19127** · 10-30-2012, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Ours

Third, the threat and intimidation I dealt with in Manhattan and Brooklyn never prompted anyone to have a separate Halloween.

Stop drawing parallels with NYC. It's annoying as sh*t. When you live in a city where the majority of people are poor, black, ignorant, and rude, you start to develop a bias whether you admit it or not. Some people like you, the white people with racial guilt ( "I'm Caucasian...whatever that means" ) ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist because they believe in World peace and a utopian society where equality trumps rational thinking. Health care is free. People with money are evil unless it's you. Whites are priveleged. Etc etc. And then one day, something happens to you or you witness something that changes your thought process like a black flash mob hitting a white pregnant woman while her white husband is being pummeled to the ground by black teenagers screaming cracker. You, as a bystander, try to stop it but are attacked too. You see, stuff like that doesn't happen in NYC. Maybe 30-40 years ago but the immigrants came and the government dependent blacks scattered. Where they are concentrated and the plurality in places like Philly, St. Louis, New Orleans, Detroit, you will always have racial division.

**Ours** · 10-30-2012, 08:51 PM

I forgot to mention that I've experienced more hatred and racism and violence in my lifetime than you can possibly imagine. Yet, somehow, I'm not a racist or a bigot. If anything, I've become even more of a humanist. People who really "experience" things, are changed in a deep way. Not in the way that you are talking about. In fact, I'll bet that any of the experiences you've had with racial tension in this area probably didn't change much about you at all. But rather, they provided a convenient excuse for you to continue feeling and thinking the way your parents taught you to. Your argument isn't even an argument, by the way. It's just a really uneducated and immature thing to say. You both should be ashamed of yourselves, but you're probably not. You keep digging deeper and deeper instead, thinking you'll find what you're looking for. But, you won't find it because it's not there. All you'll find is more hate.

It's really not okay to think and feel the way you do. I know that will sound crazy because I know you think it is okay. And who am I to say, blah blah... And you can probably find lots of other people to tell you it is okay. But it's really not, people. It's not okay. It's not accepted or respected. It's not even considered 'just another opinion based on one's own experience'. That's a laughable statement. The most important minds of our time, and generations before us have said so. I'm not a religious person, myself. But if you are, consider whether or not Jesus Christ would be on board with that way of thinking. If you're not religious, pick a hero of yours. Consider whether or not they would be on board with that way of thinking. Most importantly, always question yourself before taking a stance that includes making bold statements about anything. Make sure you know what it is you're saying and imagine all of the different types of people who may read or listen to it.