Almost time for White-o-ween!

[NJbound]

Bus their kids?????????

Can someone explain this to me? You rent a bus go to the time and expense for candy? Why?

Maybe as good parents they are trying to give their kids a real halloween to remember and knowing they can't do it in their own ghetto area?? I call it good parenting actually.

[seand]

[Gladys]

Maybe as good parents they are trying to give their kids a real halloween to remember and knowing they can't do it in their own ghetto area?? I call it good parenting actually.

not when a neighborhood is over run. That's rude. If it were my church i'd call the local neighborhood association or another church in the area and ask their opinion. This isn't a 4th of july city event. Just talk to people, ask them and i bet people would be willing to provide more candy etc. it's jut a matter of being considerate and letting them be prepared or say no we can't handle it. If you are organized for a bus trip you can pick up a phone and let people know some how. That's good parenting because you are teaching them manners, civic responsibility and a great experience all go together.

[thoth]

Were any of the "grown men in t-shirts with plastic bags going door to door" White or Asian?

You're a dope if you think this behavior is race specific. I lived in a cruddy rural part of Bucks County and parents would drive people to Doylestown all the time because people were wealthier and gave out full sized Baby Ruths and ****. There were definitely rednecks and shiftless teens with marginal costumes that would drop in and try to get something for nothing. Whatever, humans do grimey things sometimes.

The phenomenon in Philly definitely gets blown into a bigger deal because of the race component. I've heard plenty of stories about the Church buses and ****, although I've never seen it personally. I live in a part of West Phila that gets kids from other neighborhoods coming through, and honestly I would say the situation pretty manageable. Are there a handful of lazy teens that come through? Yes, but they're definitely not even close to the majority. So you lose five cents worth of jolly ranchers on some prick, who cares?

People ask why other people from dangerous and poor neighborhoods want to go trick or treating in a better area...seems pretty self-explanatory. Who can blame them for wanting to give their kids something resembling a normal childhood?

[Marquis]

I didn't say that. How do you know the kids on a bus are black? I don't.

I can't imagine a church loading up kids like that. Why not just make a party or give out stuff where you live. I don't care what color you are dropping a busload of kids in another neighborhood without invitation is just rude. If people weren't so rude none of this would be happening.

Sometimes areas plan an alternative week end date for convenience.

I'm not defending if it is truly done for racial reasons. It does sound more like they were over run with rude people and want to make it nice for their neighborhood.

It would be like having a block party and a bus of kids being dropped off to eat free food uninvited.

I think the name "whiteoween" is racist itself. Not accurate either. Sounds like a back lash that someone had who was rude and didn't like not being able to get away with it any more. I can understand what it looks like, but i think the truth is far closer to what i've said above.

p.s. the post above i mean droppng off a large number of kids without an invitation or knowing it''s ok with the neighborhood is rude. ok is that clear enough. this is halloween... you trick or treat around where you live - that's the tradition.

I'm just going by what someone else said.

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Race didn't play a factor until people started bussing(sometimes literally) kids from other areas to raid and pilfer a neighborhood that isn't there own. Then, the predominantly black families cried racism when that wasn't the inherent issue.

The fact is, no one is being bused into Fairmount for Halloween. Kids from outside the neighborhood do come around for candy, and I give it to them because it's Halloween. Andn we're talking about candy, not gold bullion.

[Gladys]

I'm just going by what someone else said.



The fact is, no one is being bused into Fairmount for Halloween. Kids from outside the neighborhood do come around for candy, and I give it to them because it's Halloween. Andn we're talking about candy, not gold bullion.

yes. but let's say as a single person i get a few bags of candy to hand out, i give it to the first tht come and that's it. However if a bus load of kids get dropped at my corner I wouldn't have enough for everyone and that wouldn't be good. So if you are organized enough to get a bus together, a call to figure out an appropriate place is not that hard. Then it's a win win. So I as the neighbor could have plenty an would be happy to see the kids, rather than it be a mess and i wouldn't be able to give to them.

I really hate the fact that when you are white people think you have lots of money. Sorry i can't affor to have a trash can of candy at the ready. But if i know in advance i can plan.

I'm only talking about the bus concept. Otherwise, I agree with toth. it's not race specific at akk i grew up in a small town and the kids from farms would come into town, they were part of the community just noty within walking distance, that's different.

I think what's being discussed here is manners and consideration for others. That's really what it boils down to. Teach kids that and the city will improve dramatically.

[Sycamore]

I really hate the fact that when you are white people think you have lots of money.

Wut?!

[Marquis]

yes. but let's say as a single person i get a few bags of candy to hand out, i give it to the first tht come and that's it. However if a bus load of kids get dropped at my corner I wouldn't have enough for everyone and that wouldn't be good. So if you are organized enough to get a bus together, a call to figure out an appropriate place is not that hard. Then it's a win win. So I as the neighbor could have plenty an would be happy to see the kids, rather than it be a mess and i wouldn't be able to give to them.

I really hate the fact that when you are white people think you have lots of money. Sorry i can't affor to have a trash can of candy at the ready. But if i know in advance i can plan.

I'm only talking about the bus concept. Otherwise, I agree with toth. it's not race specific at akk i grew up in a small town and the kids from farms would come into town, they were part of the community just noty within walking distance, that's different.

I think what's being discussed here is manners and consideration for others. That's really what it boils down to. Teach kids that and the city will improve dramatically.

If kids were bused into the neighborhood it would be a different story, but it does not happen, so it's rather pointless to discuss it as if it were happening. Yes, there are rude people on Halloween, just like there is rudeness every other day, but the point of this is that someone saw fit to slip a piece of paper in my mailbox telling me that neighborhood kids (ie, white kids) will be coming on Sunday looking for candy. I give out candy on Halloween, so whoever shows up at my door looking for candy this Sunday will be greeted with the same reaction I have any other day they come when it's not Halloween.

[Gladys]

If kids were bused into the neighborhood it would be a different story, but it does not happen, so it's rather pointless to discuss it as if it were happening. Yes, there are rude people on Halloween, just like there is rudeness every other day, but the point of this is that someone saw fit to slip a piece of paper in my mailbox telling me that neighborhood kids (ie, white kids) will be coming on Sunday looking for candy. I give out candy on Halloween, so whoever shows up at my door looking for candy this Sunday will be greeted with the same reaction I have any other day they come when it's not Halloween.

Then WTF are we talking about? somebody said it did happen. and i jumped all over it. arrgghh i need to get off line and get a life today bye!

and yes Sycamore I run into that situation often. It's maddening.

[lucidinnature]

Wut?!

Actually, yes. This is a constant issue in QV with the projects. I can't even count how many times it was ok for representation from their to say "rich white neighbors" during community meetings, but if anyone would dare say the opposite they were racists.

[seand]

Wut?!

Sarcasm?

It is a drag. Like when the guy with a bad leg and no teeth almost kills himself dashing across 4 lanes of traffic on 52nd St. to try and spare change me specifically when the sidewalk is full of (black) people. Thats a drag.

That does happen. I wouldn't over read into kids going on their own to where they think the candy haul will be bigger however. I know I did that.

[Sycamore]

The Horror!

[EJW]

As to the OP's initial assertion that having a separate Halloween celebration is racist, it is not - that is, unless the invite went to only white families on a given block (appears to not be the case from what I've read).

Also, I think whomever is responsible for organizing the alternate Halloween celebration (and those who participate) can be forgiven for not feeling comfortable celebrating Halloween on the normal night, given that there are apparently plenty of kids/teenagers/parents who ruin the real spirit of the holiday by not dressing up, demanding candy, etc. As others have mentioned this has little to do with skin color and much to do with manners and consideration.

[Burholme06]

You're a dope if you think this behavior is race specific. I lived in a cruddy rural part of Bucks County and parents would drive people to Doylestown all the time because people were wealthier and gave out full sized Baby Ruths and ****. There were definitely rednecks and shiftless teens with marginal costumes that would drop in and try to get something for nothing. Whatever, humans do grimey things sometimes.

The phenomenon in Philly definitely gets blown into a bigger deal because of the race component. I've heard plenty of stories about the Church buses and ****, although I've never seen it personally. I live in a part of West Phila that gets kids from other neighborhoods coming through, and honestly I would say the situation pretty manageable. Are there a handful of lazy teens that come through? Yes, but they're definitely not even close to the majority. So you lose five cents worth of jolly ranchers on some prick, who cares?

People ask why other people from dangerous and poor neighborhoods want to go trick or treating in a better area...seems pretty self-explanatory. Who can blame them for wanting to give their kids something resembling a normal childhood?

I agree but I think there is also the “free stuff” component to it as well. I think for middle class kids who generally are well provided for, it’s a day that is fun and the candy is a bonus but it’s the experience that counts. I think the poor kids and their parents probably weigh the free candy aspect of it more heavily.

[seand]

The Horror!

Just pointing out that while its a real phenomenon, I'm dubious that the bussing is. Sounds sort of like the German Sheppard that ate the baby. My friend's mother insists it happened to her hair dresser, I swear.

[annie]

Sounds sort of like the German Sheppard that ate the baby. My friend's mother insists it happened to her hair dresser, I swear.

Well, the dingo actually did eat the baby so there's that.

[cvo]

i'm waiting for the day when the kids these people purposely exclude figure out that they can also get candy the weekend before

[lucidinnature]

Just pointing out that while its a real phenomenon, I'm dubious that the bussing is. Sounds sort of like the German Sheppard that ate the baby. My friend's mother insists it happened to her hair dresser, I swear.

I see it every year with my own two eyes no matter how much your little mind can't fathom it.

[seand]

I see it every year with my own two eyes no matter how much your little mind can't fathom it.

Take a picture then. With your own two hands, Mr. Big Mind.

[lucidinnature]

Take a picture then. With your own two hands, Mr. Big Mind.

If I see it, I will-and you're really kind of clueless to suggest it doesn't happen. I guess those drunk busses on south street and old city are also an illusion?